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Would you allow this paladin in your game? (new fiction added 11/11/08)
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Brennin Magalus
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Treebore said:
This makes me laugh. A reference to "Charlemagne's Paladins" can only be a reference to literature. It is a misnomer to refer to the Frankish knights of Charlemagne's day as "Charlemagne's Paladins."
Piratecat
Sesquipedalian
Okay, upon impassioned request we're going to give this thread one more chance. I'm going to make this perfectly clear:
Do not discuss real world religions. That includes the history of Christianity.
If you do, expect to be suspended. One warning should be enough, and this is the third. Refer to the "Rules" thread at the top of every forum for the specific rules at EN World. I'm hoping that this thread can provide some additional "untraditional" ways of playing paladins, but we're not going to tolerate any hijacking. If you'd like to discuss this with me, feel free to drop me an email.
(On that note, if anyone ever needs to reach a moderator by email all addresses are listed in a sticky thread in the Meta forum. Alternatively, reporting a post is a great way to get our attention.)
Do not discuss real world religions. That includes the history of Christianity.
If you do, expect to be suspended. One warning should be enough, and this is the third. Refer to the "Rules" thread at the top of every forum for the specific rules at EN World. I'm hoping that this thread can provide some additional "untraditional" ways of playing paladins, but we're not going to tolerate any hijacking. If you'd like to discuss this with me, feel free to drop me an email.
(On that note, if anyone ever needs to reach a moderator by email all addresses are listed in a sticky thread in the Meta forum. Alternatively, reporting a post is a great way to get our attention.)
Romnipotent
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Yeah, stop breaking the laws guys, or Cedric will have to teach you how to follow them. Fortunately Good and Evil are a faint idea of perspective social adherence. Open minded societies treat sex as a recreation, and as such a commodity and business. Others see it as a utilitarian basis of social continuation. A lot of people are taking the latter stance and saying Cedrics being a bad boy. Which in a less than open sexual socities would certainly apply. I have sections of my game where this action would be unacceptable.
The Main thing I can fault at all (and I have been supporting cedric the whole way) is that a strict church code may be in place. Not just a regional application of standards but a doctrine understood and in dogma of the deity. Cedric may just be his deities favorite. We as DM's can decide this, his fate, and work on that.
There is one other idea, the CG Paladin. Whether as the PAladin of Freedom (Unearthed Arcana), or something else from Dragon #310 (? maybe 301-311, something in that range).
Let the unorthodox images bred by creative minds fuel the game. Carbon copied parties and angsty orphans are getting to me, perhaps.
The Main thing I can fault at all (and I have been supporting cedric the whole way) is that a strict church code may be in place. Not just a regional application of standards but a doctrine understood and in dogma of the deity. Cedric may just be his deities favorite. We as DM's can decide this, his fate, and work on that.
There is one other idea, the CG Paladin. Whether as the PAladin of Freedom (Unearthed Arcana), or something else from Dragon #310 (? maybe 301-311, something in that range).
Let the unorthodox images bred by creative minds fuel the game. Carbon copied parties and angsty orphans are getting to me, perhaps.
Torm
Explorer
I have no problem with this Paladin, provided:
A. His behavior is not in direct violation of the mandates of his deity (NOT necessarily his church - they ain't the boss of him, ultimately, and they aren't the ones weighing his worthiness to Paladinhood.)
and
B. He would be required to be certain that he partakes of his "extra-curricular" activities in such a way as to insure that his duty is not in danger of being compromised.
In the end, a paladin's attitude towards his duty is far less important than whether or not he gets it done, so I don't really have a problem with his fatalism. Although I would be relatively surprised to see such an individual called in the first place, I guess it would depend on what that deity needed at the time. Who can say? Maybe this Paladin was called to alarm a deity's Paladin Order that is suffering from a slightly slipping morality into straightening up and flying right. Or maybe he will eventually discover he isn't empowered as a Paladin by the deity he thinks he is, at all......
So speaks Torm, The True, The Loyal Fury, God of Paladins.
A. His behavior is not in direct violation of the mandates of his deity (NOT necessarily his church - they ain't the boss of him, ultimately, and they aren't the ones weighing his worthiness to Paladinhood.)
and
B. He would be required to be certain that he partakes of his "extra-curricular" activities in such a way as to insure that his duty is not in danger of being compromised.
In the end, a paladin's attitude towards his duty is far less important than whether or not he gets it done, so I don't really have a problem with his fatalism. Although I would be relatively surprised to see such an individual called in the first place, I guess it would depend on what that deity needed at the time. Who can say? Maybe this Paladin was called to alarm a deity's Paladin Order that is suffering from a slightly slipping morality into straightening up and flying right. Or maybe he will eventually discover he isn't empowered as a Paladin by the deity he thinks he is, at all......
So speaks Torm, The True, The Loyal Fury, God of Paladins.
Stone Angel
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I agree that a Paladin is a little edgy, but you can see a parrallel in mordern Christianity. Not to spark a bad subject. Just the fact that a lot of place are more contemporary worship ie electric guitars and churches in malls and such. Some people have a problem with it some people don't. Not everything is black and white.
The Seraph of Earth and Stone
The Seraph of Earth and Stone
I would not allow this character in my campaign as a paladin. Perhaps as a lawful good cavalier or fighter/cleric, but not as a paladin. The paladin code of conduct requires respect of other beings, and I don't feel this characters use of women of ill repute is respectful to them as human (or demi-human) beings.
Romnipotent
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Ill repute? They may very well be reputable! In fact Im sure Cedric wouldn't settle for anything less, I mean he's not knocking up some girl. As long as the girls aren't being abused, underpaid, drugged, dominated (spell), and the like into this work then chances are they know the business. This is there job and to slur there fine work is less respectful in a society that has legalised companionship (to spit on their trade is worse than to use it).
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