Writers strike is a go

Mistwell said:
Here, I will give you an example. I found this completely randomly in IMDB (not one of the ones I know). Jonathan Murray is listed as a Director, a Writer, and a Producer for this "Real World/Road Rules Challenge: The Inferno" show. That's not unusual.

Jonathan Murray- of Bunim/Murray. The single largest (arguably) "reality show" organization around. I don't think he really qualifies as the sort of "rank and file" reality show writer we're referring to that would benefit from some sort of union membership. Maybe back in the days of the first Real World (back in '92) he would have. These days though, with the success of that group, while he's certainly got oversight on the direction of the show, and multiple hats- he's not the guy that's breaking his balls day in and out watching the dailies, making notes, deciding on the characters and the directions, writing out story beats and sending them to the editors in post-production every day for peanuts. I'm sure he puts a lot of time (and overtime) and effort into things, but he's definitely a hyphenate in every sense of the word.
 

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Cthulhudrew said:
Jonathan Murray- of Bunim/Murray. The single largest (arguably) "reality show" organization around. I don't think he really qualifies as the sort of "rank and file" reality show writer we're referring to that would benefit from some sort of union membership. Maybe back in the days of the first Real World (back in '92) he would have. These days though, with the success of that group, while he's certainly got oversight on the direction of the show, and multiple hats- he's not the guy that's breaking his balls day in and out watching the dailies, making notes, deciding on the characters and the directions, writing out story beats and sending them to the editors in post-production every day for peanuts. I'm sure he puts a lot of time (and overtime) and effort into things, but he's definitely a hyphenate in every sense of the word.

Like I said, I picked randomly.

I could name three people I directly know who fit exactly what I was referring to, but I kinda don't want to drag them into it.

And I checked the first one of those three, and was slightly surprised to find that, though I know for sure she directed an episode of a show, and produced several, and edited one, she is listed as only the associate producer on the show and has no edit or directing credit on any episodes. I guess that is not that surprising. But she is a rank and file person on the show I am referring to (or was, before it ended).
 

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