Writing a paper on RPGs - looking for insights

True, but he still gives his opinion of what was going on at this time or the other- of course, those would be from his perspective.

If you want similar insider perspective on other games, you should, of course, go to the sources. Many of the hobby's best and brightest have their own websites and message boards. If you look around the web for "RPG" or "role-playing games," you should find them. Many of them also list their websites in their products.

Some companies/games to look at would include Malhavoc, Judge's Guild, Green Ronin, Palladium, Troll Lords, CMG, Paizo, HERO, ICE, or Steve Jackson Games. Many of the game designers, like Monte Cook, also post here at EN World.
 

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I am Stormborn! (which is not something I normally feel inclined to say, but since everyone else has said they weren’t…)

Gender and RPGs.
My general impression is that the majority of players are male but sense a female community is present if not as vocal. Stormborn, you indicate you met your wife in the community. Do you feel women are equally represented or is that something that is still evolving? Finally, if there are any women in the community here, I would love to hear from you. For whatever it's worth, I'm female.


As Raef said, my group right now is two females and myself, but that is uncommon. I think that Piratecat was right in saying that about 20% (maybe 25%) of regular gamers are female and I think its still evolving, although greater efforts could be made on both the part of the producers of RPGs and the retailers. I do think that some are better at it than others. White Wolf seems to have the largest female demographic for its Storyteller/telling systems; and, this is purely speculation based on minimal evidence, women seem to be drawn to other games that are related to RPGs such as collectable card games (which is where my wife stated) and board games.

Religion.
Again Stormborn, you have a religious background and are currently engaged with a Christian community. Given your level of involvement in RPGs (significant by your description), how would you describe balancing the two worlds? Have you come up against intolerance and, if so, how did you navigate it? While my understanding is admittedly limited I do know that certain elements of the Christian community have reacted to RPGs negatively. Your activity in two seemingly opposing worlds interests me. I'd love to hear more about that if you feel inclined to share.


Not to start a sermon around here but there is a phrase “Do not cast your pearls before swine.” Regardless of what it means in a religious context, I feel that at its heart it means “do not present things to people who will not understand or appreciate it.” Basically, I know that the majority of people, especially in my current congregation, wouldn’t ‘get’ RPGs so if it should ever come up I just tell them I play games and that I do some freelance writing. I am of the right age, and background, to remember the DnD = Satanism stuff and that makes me somewhat hesitant to just go around telling people about it. However, now I feel that most people wouldn’t feel that way, even if they might have in the 80s. Nor am I ashamed of being a gamer, I simply choose not to let that be people’s initial impression of me; particularly not pulpit committees that might be interested in hiring me. To those people that do know me and have for a while I have no problem talking to them about it and even encouraging them to find out what it is like. There is, for example, an RPG from Green Ronin called Testament, which is based on settings of the Old Testament (I wrote one of the first adventures for it, called No Other Gods, for Highmoon). In the right context I would consider using it to help teach people about various eras in Israel’s history. Ultimately RPGs are simply a genre of entertainment no different than any other and have their ups and their downs, although over all I think they have more ups than downs. Could it lead to interest in the occult? Sure. So could reading some of the best selling Christian writers of the 20th century, Tolkien and Lewis. So could watching TV, going to the movies, or studying history. A lot of what comes out of an activity relates to what people put into it.

Game Curiosity.
Most all of you indicate the best way to learn about RPGs is to play. I would agree. Are there venues to do this online free of charge and, if so, are there any you would recommend for someone completely green? Failing that, it sounds like I should seek out players in my community. How likely (purely an opinion question here) are people to open up their circles to someone like me? My time is somewhat limited, hence my question about playing online. I suppose I could find the answers digging around the forum a bit more but any way finding help you'd be willing to offer would be greatly appreciated.


Other people have made good suggestions about that. All I will suggest is that you find a local game store and approach one of the people that work there. Tell them that you are interested in RPGs but have never played and ask if they know of a game that you could join, or even if someone would be willing to get a group together to run a one-shot for you. June 23rd is Free RPG Day (http://www.freerpgday.com/ ) and if a store is participating in that they will likely be able to help you in someway. If you lived in central Alabama I (we) would be happy to run a one shot for you.

Other Gaming Habits.
Are you interested in other types of gaming? Video games, etc. If so, which ones? What platforms? And what percentage of time do you devote to gaming outside the RPG format?


Sure. I have played collectible card games including Magic, Shadowfist (my favorite I think), Call of Cthulhu, and World of Warcraft as well as boardgames from the traditional to things like A Game of Thrones, Arkam Horror, and Battle Lore. I have limited experience with miniature games as I don’t paint but play occasionally with Raef’s husand, games like Warmachine, Warlords of Aegyptus, DnD minis, and someothers. I have played PC Games, but not MMORPGS, off an on for a while, mostly RTSs like the original Warcraft series, RPGs like Baldur’s Gate, or puzzle games. We got PS2 for Christamas and have loved Katamari, Star Wars Legos, Kingdom Hearts, and are currently playing through Kingdom Hearts II. My wife likes watching the story more than playing.
 

I think that Magic: the Gathering and other CCGs were a big shot in the arm for the RPG hobby.

They got people in the door of the FLGS's, often multiple times, where they interacted with the wargamers and RPG hobbyists who comprised the bulk of the denizens of such places. (I personally know of at least 2 people who came to gaming that way.)

The best part about this influx was that a lot of the players were young- nothing like new blood to revitalize a hobby!
 

Dannyalcatraz said:
I think that Magic: the Gathering and other CCGs were a big shot in the arm for the RPG hobby.

They got people in the door of the FLGS's, often multiple times, where they interacted with the wargamers and RPG hobbyists who comprised the bulk of the denizens of such places.

While I am sure that effect exists, I think the more important contribution was to give WotC oodles of money, so that they could consider purchasing D&D from TSR.
 

You guys are great

Okay folks, this is wonderful. I'm going to have to spend some time with it to properly respond to it as there is such a wealth of information to explore. My eyes popped out of my head when I logged in tonight!

I just wanted to throw a quick thank you out to all of you who responded to my questions. I will definitely follow-up once I've made my way through it.


P.S. How'd the Angel series get past me? :)
 

While I am sure that effect exists, I think the more important contribution was to give WotC oodles of money, so that they could consider purchasing D&D from TSR.

No doubt about that! Without that cash influx, D&D as a product might have ceased production.

However, the new gamers who had M:tG as their gateway are significant in number. Don't forget- there were even tournament finals aired on ESPN2. That is significant, high-profile, positive, worldwide exposure.

Willowisp, something else you might consider is using this site to do some Poll-based research. You'd be able to find out how long people have been involved in the hobby, ethnicities, countries/regions of habitation, education levels, and so much more with a few well thought-out poll threads.
 

Great idea

Dannyalcatraz said:
Willowisp, something else you might consider is using this site to do some Poll-based research. You'd be able to find out how long people have been involved in the hobby, ethnicities, countries/regions of habitation, education levels, and so much more with a few well thought-out poll threads.

I hadn't even thought about that. Thank you!

I'm still working my way through stuff but checking in throughout. This is a highly engaging thread. Thoroughly enjoying it and learning SO much.

I'm seeking out a gaming shop at some point this weekend and am going to try to pick something up to play a little with my boyfriend and some friends who I've convinced to give it a whirl with me. Promises of food and wine sealed the deal. I'll let you know what and when I end up with something and how it goes.
 

Dannyalcatraz said:
I think that Magic: the Gathering and other CCGs were a big shot in the arm for the RPG hobby.

They got people in the door of the FLGS's, often multiple times, where they interacted with the wargamers and RPG hobbyists who comprised the bulk of the denizens of such places. (I personally know of at least 2 people who came to gaming that way.)

The best part about this influx was that a lot of the players were young- nothing like new blood to revitalize a hobby!

Your experience was certainly different than mine; you might be in a larger city with more than one FLGS, though.

Here, M:TG effectively killed a roleplaying community.

Before Magic, you could go into our local shop and find a tabletop pen-and-paper RPG running almost every day. Two or more on the weekends. There was a large amount of table space and people used it. They bought snacks and drinks from the counter. For a lot of people, especially younger gamers, this was the major place for them to play. Many of the other common non-home venues for gaming don't exist here, are not convenient for younger (read: car-less) gamers, or would refuse to host a group of roleplayers.

Magic comes along and suddenly there's no more table space at the FLGS. No-one is buying new RPG books because they're blowing all their money on Magic, so the book stock starts to dwindle. Fewer orders are made. There's certainly lots of people in the place at any one time, but they're all playing Magic. There's lots of new faces, but none of them cross over and buy RPG's. They see the various ads for people looking for gamers, but ignore them. Soon those ads are taken down and replaced with tournament news. A number of the GM's attempt to reach out to the new influx but are ignored; these people are here to play a game they can win, and have the chance of acquiring someone else's cool card.

The place is too full and too noisy to run an RPG. There's not enough space, even if they allow you to have space. The shop is making money, so they don't much care.

Meanwhile, deprived of a place to game, the various groups begin to disband. With no common meeting ground, no-one is getting jazzed by the cool new game they saw people playing at the store. No-one is saying 'Hey, two of my players are going into the Navy; I have two slots open', and being immediately able to fill those slots. On weekends, when before there would be two-four groups of roleplayers or minis people there, suddenly you literally can't get in the door. There are junior high kids playing Magic on the sidewalk. Half of them are smoking. At the height of the pokemon craze it's difficult to get to the door, so people stop going on the weekends at all. We used to have people drive in from surrounding towns on the weekends. No more. They're met with a store packed full of highschoolers who are there to blow allowance cash on cards.

There used to be two really nice game stores up in a nearby larger city. Unable to find much in the way of new gaming material here at the time, I go there. They're gotten rid of most of their RPG stuff and are wholly card stores. When the initial CCG craze begins to contract, they close forever because they've chased off their old customers to cater to the new ones: in one case, I think fifteen years of business, ruined in less than two.

That almost happened here. We still have a gaming store, but they recently moved all their RPG stock to the back of the store and all the boardgame stuff up to the front. Few of their old customers returned once the blush of card players left, remembering how they'd been treated.
 

Willowisp said:
If you were going to introduce someone to D&D (or the like) who had never really been involved with it before where would you start?

I would invite them to play. It is the only way to really let them get into the game. One can not, IMHO, just sit and watch. I was introduced by being invited to play a game at a convention in New York... One roll of the dice and the exhileration of playing a character that is outgoing when I am rather introverted had me hooked. I also tried a minatures game.

What direction would you point them in?

The local gaming store or a local game convention. Sometimes they do beginers games where you can learn the system while you play.

How would you describe yourself, your community, your level of engagement?

I am a 25 year old paralegal.... no one I work with can believe I play. My boyfriend also plays (In fact I met him through my gaming group.) My community.... well it is growing with every gameday that I attend... I meet new people who become friends. I also game in two monthly games with my usual group, all made up of my friends, and it is usually the scene of socializing and fun. I am also about to begin a biweekly game with my best friend from highschool. I am very engaged in it. I not only write all my own characters, even earn experience points by writing journals and letters in character. I also paint my own Minatures. I am a new GM as well.

What do you love/hate about it all and what keeps you engaged with it?

I love the creativity that comes with character creation. I love picking out every nuance of my character and playing it to the hilt. I hate when players question the GM's knowledge of the rules and when that leads to a halt in the game.

What keeps me engaged? I love the social aspect of it. There is nothing like hanging out with my friends playing and then we eat and then we play again.


I find your idea of a paper topic very interesting... If you need any more assistance, please pm me and let me know. I would be happy to help.
 

Willowisp said:
Gender and RPGs.
My general impression is that the majority of players are male but sense a female community is present if not as vocal. Stormborn, you indicate you met your wife in the community. Do you feel women are equally represented or is that something that is still evolving? Finally, if there are any women in the community here, I would love to hear from you. For whatever it's worth, I'm female.

I am a female gamer!!!! I don't think that women are equally represented, but it is definately evolving. I am shocked when men think I like to game in games with unicorns... I would rather be beating NPC's.

Religion.
Again Stormborn, you have a religious background and are currently engaged with a Christian community. Given your level of involvement in RPGs (significant by your description), how would you describe balancing the two worlds? Have you come up against intolerance and, if so, how did you navigate it?

I am not really that religious and I don't think if I was really religious it would affect my gaming.

Game Curiosity.
Are there venues to do this online free of charge and, if so, are there any you would recommend for someone completely green? Failing that, it sounds like I should seek out players in my community. How likely (purely an opinion question here) are people to open up their circles to someone like me?

DON'T game online first. IMHO, the best kind of gaming is siting at a table and having that human interaction.

Other Gaming Habits.
Are you interested in other types of gaming? Video games, etc. If so, which ones? What platforms? And what percentage of time do you devote to gaming outside the RPG format?

I am always working on game stuff it seems. But I love videogames, especially Final Fantasy-esque games like Kingdom Hearts and the Final Fantasy games itself.


Finally, any resources you might know of to share would be great. Links and what have you.

A gamer woman website: http://www.gamerchicksrule.com/content/

A little something about the soldier's Convention in Iraq: http://www.gamegrene.com/node/790

Also look at convention websites like GenCon: http://gencon.com/
GenCon is huge, many gamers including myself are making the treck to Indiana. The website also has forums and links to different sites that will help to explain the different games offered.

Thanks again so much for all of your thoughtful responses. I look forward to getting to know more.

Not a problem... I hope we would help.
 

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