wtf! Chi is based on Hands !?

[Flobby]

Hara = abdomen, Kiri = cut. It has nothing to do with 気 (ki) nor does Okinawa, but maybe that was a joke?

 

[le Redoutable]

of course, the idea is relative to Tolerance

Bedrockgames indicated a mystical flag;
this is very seful for me, for I can point some demonstrations of ( say ) obscure ( to say connected with hidden knowledge ) shows of Great Sorcerors from Martial Arts ( not sure if it's well dicted sorry )

 

[Tun Kai Poh]

Chi literally means "breath" in my mother tongue, and the cultivation of chi is used to explain special abilities and powers in a wide range of fiction, from more grounded martial arts stories to the godlike feats and immortality attained in xianxia tales.

In general, D&D stats like Constitution and Dexterity are a poor fit for tracking chi development, because they are usually innate ability scores tied to one's inborn potential (as I see it - others have interpreted them differently). In D&D you cannot simply train for years sitting under waterfalls or meditating in caves to build your stats - you need to gain XP from adventuring - or through external boosts such as magic items or Wish spells.

CJ Leung (also known for his tutorial videos for D&D 5e and Call of Cthulhu 7e), does a good job of explaining Chi Cultivation tropes by using a framework that will make things more clear for Western audiences - Brandon Sanderson's magic system classification.

 

[le Redoutable]

basically, you won't pronouce Ki like Tchi;
in ancient times, China transcriptions ( tell me if I'm wrong ) were to Tchi;
now they translate to Qi;
still ( theorically ) they still pronounce Tchi;

again, Qi is not the same word as Ki ( I'm asking myself what the latter's define is )

 

[Tun Kai Poh]

basically, you won't pronouce Ki like Tchi;
in ancient times, China transcriptions ( tell me if I'm wrong ) were to Tchi;
now they translate to Qi;
still ( theorically ) they still pronounce Tchi;

again, Qi is not the same word as Ki ( I'm asking myself what the latter's define is )

This is gibberish to me and has no context outside my mother culture. Please explain what you are talking about.

 

[le Redoutable]

hey sorry I wasn't responding to your ( good ) post
the only thing I have to add is:
in Ad&d days spells were using V,S,M components;
Verbal, Somatic ( here gestures ===> Dex ) , Material ;

 

[le Redoutable]

oh something:

a long time ago I was introduced to a Korean student, who showed me he could blow out a candle using his hands doing a gust of wind !
this is pure Tchi proficiency

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Ki is for Karate users, while Tchi is for Taï Tchi Tchuan users
( ok ? )

No.

Prove it.

Spoiler, you can’t, because this is false. Ki is the Japanese word for qi, which you are weirdly calling perhaps the least common spelling.

In karate, ki means breath. Kiai is a shout used in all Japanese martial arts traditions.

In all East Asian MA traditions, everything start with breath. (This is also true outside EA, and outside martial arts, btw.)

 

[le Redoutable]

you are too overconfident for your sayings to be true;
add ein bischien Tolerance to your sayings and I'll applause laughly .

 

[gamerprinter]

Not that I plan to tackle Chi as third party for D&D in any possible publication involving such rules, not anytime soon either. When I developed my Kaidan setting of Japanese Horror (PFRPG), I altered Paizo's own Samurai class, allowing the base class as is, but created a half dozen archetypes of it to create the variety of 'subfields' found in actual Japanese society, versus any fantasy Asian expectations by anyone. I'm half Japanese, have extensive cultural, historic and folklore knowledge over a lifetime of study, combined with more recent intense study in my attempt at that time to create a more authentic Japanese setting slanted to Japanese horror. No sacred cows from Paizo or historically in D&D was safe, existing bestiary content, spellings of classes (kensei is sword saint, kensai is a made up word, for example). If I thought a given pubished design as it exists doesn't fit Japanese folklore, history or culture, that is was either content taken out of context, or an Asian seeming idea that has no Asian source - I threw it out the window and redesigned it from scratch to match and stay true to the Japanese perspective, not caring what anyone else decided some Japanese content was in previous work. I started from scratch with most everything, and got something I could sleep well at night as having my name on it. I would NOT do Chi as 'in the hands', I would go a different way...

 

[le Redoutable]

... and ...

 

[gamerprinter]

... and ...

and I'm up to my eyeballs trying to wrap up deck plans, stats for a Spelljammer 3PP release I'm shooting for the end of the month. I don't have the Chi to do both at the same time, but then I have other work inline already after I complete this project... sorry. As stated in my previous post, not anytime soon...

 

[gamerprinter]

Without getting mechanical, just simple contemplation. Chi could work like psionics, but not a character of the mind, but power based in your gut, flowing through your body and extending beyond your body. Everything has Chi - rocks, trees, living creatures, nature, but places of great natural beauty are especially rich fonts of Chi. So using Chi comes from within you, but once you activate it, you can draw Chi from the land around you, manipulate it and from normal enhancements to normal abilities, some 'spell like abilities' could manifest based on your specific specialty within Chi powers. I would think it would be more buff/debuff, with some utility like movement, than actual kinetic attacks. Also self healing and healing others would be a part. It isn't good nor evil, but a neutral force that exists in the natural world and the beings that inhabit it. Monk while the only class Chi is best mastered with. Like wild psionic powers, every class should be able to manifest at least one ability based on the fact that everyone contains Chi... That's where I'd start, I guess. It would be ideally suited for specific settings.

 

[le Redoutable]

psionics dealt with ( in Ad&d 1st ed ) Sensitivity to Psychic Impressions

 

[Umbran]

... like in " The Hands of Chang Shi ( master of Kung Fu ) "
and me assuming Chi ( Energy ) was inherited from Constitution !
well, looks like Chi <===> Dex ( grouf! )

"The Hands of Chang Shi," is referring to how Ki is expressed, as a catchy title for a fiction. It is not talking about the origin of Ki.

first error in the Wiki, Tchi =/= Ki;
Ki is used in Karate, Samuraïs doing Hara-Ki-Ri;

Samurai Harikiri has the "ki" sound, but is not referring to the energy.

in Shintaoism, Tchi is Energy ( look at Meridians )
of course Occident isn't teached the concepts of Chi;

That's not a great generalization. My karate training had a significant Chi element to it, as did several others in the larger conference my school was part of.

 

[le Redoutable]

grpf! Thanks for your comment ( grhoupf! )

 

[Autumnal]

By the way, the Marvel character is Shang Chi. The comic claims that this means “the rising and advancing of the spirit”. Another mark against @le Redoutable. This has been one of the most surreal threads I’ve seen in some time, and I’m just kind of waiting for them to bring in trepanning or Manos the Hands of Fate or something.

 

[le Redoutable]

euhh, to say Rogues ( that you like to play ) are War Level 1 ( you have limited approach to martial arts, you like to roughen your opponents, you like easy victories , you have great aim etc )
I personally don't like the Rogue pseudo-class; Thieves were , err , another time another place

 

[le Redoutable]

now I come to another trick :
merging Chi with Magnetism

 

[Twiggly the Gnome]

now I come to another trick :
merging Chi with Magnetism

I think Franz Mesmer beat you to the punch.