X2 *spoilers*

[Lichtenhart]

The final evolutionary narration by the actress of Jean Grey seems to imply that she had some foreknowledge of what the transformation would require. Grey also had many vague missgivings for future catosrophe all of which may not have applied directly to the circumstances at hand. The Xavier "choice" speech might also imply that Xavier has some inkling as well of what she did.

Also, how do you explain the scene in the end whe Professor X is stuck looking outside of the window? Can he feel the Phoenix arise?
And has anybody read 'The once and future king'? What's it about?

 

[WizarDru]

Wait, isn't Rachel Jean's daughter and Cable Madelyn's?

Man, X-Men continuity is just the most confusing evah!

Oh and you all forgot the part where Madelyn goes all nuts and evil.

Oh, I didn't forget it. TRIED TO, but didn't. And don't forget Cable's clone and twin brother. Unless you can, in which case you probably should.

Lest we forget, Rachel is Jean and Scott's daughter from an alternate future timeline. Presumably, so is Cable, his many genetic relateds, and everybody else.

The really nice thing about adaptions like these is that they can dispense with years of poor continuity choices. Chun-tzu is correct, Shooter made the call for Jean to die (and it's a complex issue...it was perhaps the greatest X-men story ever, and yet they killed a very popular character to do so...fixing it made a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation). But Claremont is to blame for the whole poorly conceived Madelyn Pryor stories, as well as the Brood stories and the Australian desert wackiness.

But I won't lay the resurrection of Jean Grey or the poor fathering practices of Cyclops at his feet, either.

 

[WizarDru]

[BAnd has anybody read 'The once and future king'? What's it about? [/B]

Written by T.H. White, a series of 4 stories about some crazy cat name King Arthur...and something about a round table.

The Sword in the Stone was one of the books, if that sounds familiar. A fifth book, the book of Merlyn, was found after he died amongst his notes.

 

[Viking Bastard]

It's a series of novels telling of the life of King Arthur.

The Disney movie 'The Sword in the Stone' is I think based on the first book in the series.

Since I haven't read it, the connection is lost on me.

EDIT: Damn! WizardDru beat me to it!

 

[Henry]

Re: No from me

...the rest of the action was little more than mutants slaughtering humans. The assault on the school was a prime example. The human strike force posed no threat to the mutants. Asside from some lame darts, they had no special anti-mutant equipment. No flash grenades, no gas, no nightvision.

I think the HK MP5's and the concussion grenades they were packing counts as "anti-mutant equipment" to all except Wolverine and Colossus. Those guys came packing for bear if bear were brought.

As for Magneto briefing them, keep in mind that Magneto doesn't know about Charles' students, for the most part - only the X-Men. Of them, only Wolverine is resistant to conventional gunfire, and then it is still presumed he can still be killed if sufficient trauma is introduced.

Another, as yet unmentioned plot hole was that whole scout camp scene. The X-men just downed two F-16s. Were are the search and rescue, where are the FCC and special forces guys investigating the crash site? Nowhere. I agree with the previous assessment that the movie was alot of good scenes poorly connected together along with the most boring dam crash sequence ever. It had to have taken 45 minutes for that dam to break. So much for tension.

I agree, the tension was lacking in that scene to me.

 

[Viking Bastard]

And don't forget Cable's clone and twin brother. Unless you can, in which case you probably should.

I dunno. Kinda liked that one. Well, except for the ending, where
the editors decided to throw away years of build-up and tie the
final battle between the two into one of 'em big X-crossovers,
which didn't even have much to do with the Cable/New Mutants
plots.

Very anticlimatic.

Presumably, so is Cable, his many genetic relateds, and everybody else.

Not exactly. He was infected by that technovirus so Scott and
Jean sent him into the future where the virus wouldn't kill him.
What they didn't know, this future was ruled by Apocalypse.

There he was raised by monks that trained him to fight Apocalypse.
He went back in time to kill Apocalypse. He did that and created
a new future, where we got a second Nate Grey. Then, with the
megacrossover 'Age of Apocalypse' we got a third version of Cable.

It's very understandable that the current teams on the X-books
are pretty much ignoring the last decade of continuity.

 

[Bagpuss]

The term/title "Once and Future King" is tied to the legend that King Arthur would return from his grave in Avalon to defend England in a time of dire need. He didn't show up during the second world war, so its probably more of a myth than a legend, but the parallel's with a Jean Grey returning from the dead are pretty clear.

 

[Viking Bastard]

Oooooh! Camelot 3000 style!

 

[Mathew_Freeman]

It's funny, but I thought that having the dam break slowly actually added to the tension, not took away from it. With that hanging over the heads of everyone, it leant a more dangerous air to the end of the film, without necessarily meaning that everyone had to run around like madmen.

Having something extremely dangerous happen slowly was far more fun than having it happen quickly, IMHO.

 

[Silver Moon]

It's very understandable that the current teams on the X-books are pretty much ignoring the last decade of continuity.

Probably a good thing, I did too, having actually dropped the book around the Age of Apocalypse and not picking it up again until eX-Treme X-Men #1.

The thing that I loved about the first movie was how well they were able to quickly define each of the characters, given that they had to composite around 500+ comics down to a 2-hour film. I even thought they exceeded the comics in two areas: the portrayal of the Toad, and the portrayal of he school as a learning institution with tons of unique kids.

Same for the second film, establishing Pyro, Nightcrawler and Stryker as fully developed characters. I know there has been a lot of nitpicking in this thread about specific points, but the big picture was that it was a fun film for both comic fans and those not familiar with the comic as well.