X2 *spoilers*

[KidCthulhu]

Actually, I think the exchange went more like this.

"Take the kids and go. You're awfully buff for a teenager, and I want all the drool time on this film. I'm gonna get smoochies with Famke Janssen and Rebecca Romajin and I don't want you cutting in on my action."

 

[Viking Bastard]

It'll be on the DVD.

 

[Ferret]

I give it a 2/5.

There was nothing at all mediocre about the movie. Everything was great or utterly stupid.

It was plot hole central (note that I'm only using the movies as a frame of reference, I think it's unfair to do a straight comparison to the comic):

1) Nightcrawler was super badass in the first scene. I knew from that moment that he would be incompetent by comparison for the rest of the film. They could have done some kind of brainwashing explanation (make him a sleeper agent), but they just went with the drip. Lame.

He isn't acting, he just sees it, I think he does amazingly not to "do something childish", if he thinks he won't make all of the ports

2) Magneto giggling like a school girl at Rogue on the plane.

He's teasing her, I almost thought it was him; best explaned. he gets to insult her, quite badly, and get away with it.

3) The whole break-in to the base. They had Magneto with them, and then they launch this complicated plan to attack a base mostly made out of metal.

The post about only wolverine could get in, explains it, plus the one about him being hypocritcial coward.

5) For that matter, why didn't Magneto and Mystique just steal the jet and go themselves? They didn't need any help, and bringing the others along is just asking to get thwarted.

And fight 2 vs 8? I doubt he would have, plus the free ride without lifting a finger would have seemed nice

7) The worst scene of the movie was the Jean Grey death scene. When your climax is the worst scene, it leaves a sour taste in my mouth. If Jean can flip all those switches from outside the ship, there was no reason she couldn't have stopped the water from outside the ship.
Catch Cyclopes line "The endines fine, we need some kind of external force."

9) At the beginning of the movie, and on the plane, Nightcrawler had no problem teleporting where he couldn't see (too accurately for my taste, actually). At the end, he was scared he would run into something when he was about to teleport through a door. Last time I checked, most people don't build walls on the other sides of doors.

He used faith, he is a devout christian, thus the prayers. To explain the 700mph stuff, wouldn't rogue be falling at the same speed, or near to that?

11) Wolverine could smell who Mystique was in the last movie. Why not this one?

Mixed pheramones I would expect.

12) In the plane chase scene Magneto sealed up the blackbird. When they were flying back to Washington, the hole came back. I thought that was an appropriate analogy for the whole movie.

Jean patched it up, but crashed the plane. When did it come back?

Could we compile all the cameos? I missed jubilee, and the wings of archangel!

 

[Numion]

Yeah! And why didn't T-800 throw the frozen T-1000 into the melting pool, rather than shooting it to pieces so it just melted faster! Boo!

Ahem, just saw X2. I was thrilled. The sprawling story didn't bother me one bit, and as I'm not very aware of the comicbooks I had few issues with the characters.

I just don't see much point in picking nits about what mutant really should've / could've done what. Wasn't one of the points of X-men that they are also quite humane and make mistakes? And forget the comics .. I once read a bit of Wolverine where he got shot in the face with a shotgun, and wasn't much bothered by it. Then he just fought of with no flesh in his face like it's no big thing. Really retarded...

 

[Cthulhudrew]

>3) The whole break-in to the base. They had Magneto with them, and then they launch this complicated plan to attack a base mostly made out of metal.<

I had the same thought the first time I saw it, and still largely agree with this idea. However, perhaps the reason they needed the X-Men was not so much to get into the base, but because they needed to do something about the soldiers? Remember that Magneto was completely preoccupied while "fixing" Cerebro, and that if the two of them were alone, Mystique would have been the only one who could have held off Stryker, Deathstrike, and the soldiers. Even if they had managed to take out most of them, they had no real way of knowing if they got all the soldiers before they attempted the reprogramming, and time was of the essence.

>5) For that matter, why didn't Magneto and Mystique just steal the jet and go themselves? They didn't need any help, and bringing the others along is just asking to get thwarted.<

Again, see above. Seems like the most logical reason to me, the more I think about it.

>9) At the beginning of the movie, and on the plane, Nightcrawler had no problem teleporting where he couldn't see (too accurately for my taste, actually). At the end, he was scared he would run into something when he was about to teleport through a door. Last time I checked, most people don't build walls on the other sides of doors.<

As for the White House, Stryker could very well have supplied him with a (mental or physical) map of the place, so that he knew where he was going, not to mention that he didn't have all that many qualms about what he was doing in his programmed state. As far as the plane... I agree with you...

>11) Wolverine could smell who Mystique was in the last movie. Why not this one?<

I don't think it was so much that he smelled her specifically, just that he smelled someone *in addition to* the other X-Men at liberty island.

Now why he wouldn't remember her scent... I had the same thought, actually.

 

[Cthulhudrew]

>Plus, the way he asked Pyro "What's your real name?" was a wonderful moment.<

I agree, one of my favorite moments, and one that I haven't seen anyone else mention before now. Very reminiscent of the whole "slave name", "Nation of Islam", "Malcolm X" sort of thing. Loved it.

 

[Bagpuss]

Viking Bastard where does the Essential X-Men fit in?

 

[Viking Bastard]

Reprints of old/classic X-Men stories.

 

[Silver Moon]

Actually, I think the exchange went more like this.
"Take the kids and go. You're awfully buff for a teenager, and I want all the drool time on this film. I'm gonna get smoochies with Famke Janssen and Rebecca Romajin and I don't want you cutting in on my action."

Great alternative dialogue KC!

In hindsight, the movie did seem to have quite a bit of eye candy for both genders. I did find the scene where Magneto is talking to the X-Men, and about half the shot is taken up by Mystique's almost bare chest, to be rather distracting. I'm sure Magneto must have had some dialogue during that bit but I honestly can't remember a word of it.

 

[WayneLigon]

Now why he wouldn't remember her scent... I had the same thought, actually.

I doubt she has the same scent from change to change -or- after knowing that's what gave her away before, she just made sure to duplicate the scent, something she probably doesn't bother with most of the time since very few things could pick up on it.

And, well, Wolvie wasn't really thinking with that head, right then.