(YB-META-RULES) Dark/Light
Phoenix8008
First Post
*Copied over here where it belongs from the Yakuza thread*
Well, that solves the problem of starting the reset without any higher up Light or Dark fighters which they would need to beat to advance. People can take the Path they choose and if they can find and beat a Yakuza or Honor fighter, then they can switch to being a Light/Dark fighter at that point! Could be a massive rearranging of powers if you had a high tier Honored swithch to being Light path, but it would work OK I think.
How about for the Light/Dark advancement rule, if we made this change: In oreder to advance to the next tier, they must defeat at least one fighter of opposing paths at any time during that tier! So there won't be the roadblock only at the last rank of the tier when people know they are trying to advance and could choose not to fight them just to keep them locked down in that tier. Just beat one enemy anytime in that tier and you can advance to the next tier freely. What do ya'll think? How about you especially Graydoom? Would this help at all do you think?
Well, that solves the problem of starting the reset without any higher up Light or Dark fighters which they would need to beat to advance. People can take the Path they choose and if they can find and beat a Yakuza or Honor fighter, then they can switch to being a Light/Dark fighter at that point! Could be a massive rearranging of powers if you had a high tier Honored swithch to being Light path, but it would work OK I think.
How about for the Light/Dark advancement rule, if we made this change: In oreder to advance to the next tier, they must defeat at least one fighter of opposing paths at any time during that tier! So there won't be the roadblock only at the last rank of the tier when people know they are trying to advance and could choose not to fight them just to keep them locked down in that tier. Just beat one enemy anytime in that tier and you can advance to the next tier freely. What do ya'll think? How about you especially Graydoom? Would this help at all do you think?
Wicht
Hero
woops - shoulda posted my answer here...
Personally, I think the fighter should have to decide to switch right around the time of the significant fight - rather than putting it off - but they don't have to switch when they change tiers. A green 2 could switch and become a orange 3 after they win their fight. Thus the switch can occur at any time but it is a life changing decision and if they decide the path is not for them they have to lose a whole tier to switch back to honor fighter. At least that was how I was envisioning it.
Personally, I think the fighter should have to decide to switch right around the time of the significant fight - rather than putting it off - but they don't have to switch when they change tiers. A green 2 could switch and become a orange 3 after they win their fight. Thus the switch can occur at any time but it is a life changing decision and if they decide the path is not for them they have to lose a whole tier to switch back to honor fighter. At least that was how I was envisioning it.
Phoenix8008
First Post
Wicht, I think you may have misunderstood me. I mean this rule could be applied when a fighter was already a Light or Dark path follower. For instance, a fighter that is Red-2 could win a fight against a villain which advances him to Red-3 but also enables him to advance to the next tier when the time comes. This way they have to beat an enemy once per tier, but not necesarily at the very end of the tier.
As for switching from another path over to the Light/Dark path, I agree that it should happen right after they win the fight, or they have to wait till they beat another enemy.
As for switching from another path over to the Light/Dark path, I agree that it should happen right after they win the fight, or they have to wait till they beat another enemy.
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Wicht
Hero
The Path of Darkness
Concept: The followers of the path of darkness are focused on evil. Honor, power, land and skill matter less than spreading the terror of wickedness everywhere. These fighters are loners and often shun the company of others.
Progression and ranks
Dark Apprentice: 0-2
Dark Warrior: 0-4
Dark Knight: 0-6
Dark Master: 0-8
Dark Lord: 0-10
The Void: No ranks
Special Rules: To join the dark path, a Yakuza (or a white belt) must win a fight against an honor or light warrior. After winning they may choose to advance into the path of darkness instead of further into the Yakuza path. A white belt who does this begins as a Dark Apprentice 0. A Yakuza begins at the rank equivalent to what he would be if he had remained a Yakuza.
Dark fighters can only advance in tiers if they defeat a light or honor warrior. However, if the dark fighter ever loses to a light or honor warrior they drop 2 ranks instead of 1. Dark Warriors have 1 buffer rank below their 0 ranks called "Out of Favor". A follower of darkness who is out of favor and wins against a honor or Light Warrior gains 2 ranks but ever only drops 1 rank from such a loss. Dark Apprentices who are "out of favor" and lose a fight are killed. Notice that Dark fighters at rank 0 who lose to a honor or light warrior automatically drop a tier.
The void has no ranks and if this fighter ever loses a fight they drop down to Dark Lord 10.
Special Powers and Abilities
Dark Apprentice: Foul Spirit, Unholy Warrior, Sneaky Trick, Signature Style
Dark Warrior: Master of Shadows, Dirty Trick, Poisoned Blade
Dark Knight: Signature Location, Dirty Trick, Corruption
Dark Master: Mind Thief, Poisoned Blade
Dark Lord: Signature Location, Dirty Trick, Poisoned Blade
The Void: Signature Style, Cunning Attack, Poisoned Blade
Explanation of Powers
Foul Spirit: Because of their evil nature, followers of the path of darkness cannot be insulted and automatically win all insult rounds.
Unholy Warrior: The unholy warrior gains the current location of the fight as a signature location for the duration of the fight or until that location is changed at which point they adopt the new location as a signature location.
Sneaky Trick: As Yakuza
Signature Style: As Honor
Master of Shadows: As Honor
Dirty Trick: As Yakuza
Poisoned Blade: As Yakuza
Corruption: After a successful fight, the dark fighter may attempt to corrupt any sash or honor fighter who is of a lower tier. A corruption round is declared and each fighter posts a move as normal. Any powers that have not come into play in the earlier rounds and which might be useful, (chi strike, dirty trick, sneaky trick, signature immunities) may be used by the fighters. If the corruption is successful, the corrupted fighter becomes a Yakuza of equivalent rank to what they were after losing the fight and the Dark fighter gains 1 extra rank. If the corruption is unsuccessful the honor or sash fighter escapes untainted (though still having lost a rank due to losing the fight) but the power put forth by the dark fighter causes them to lose 2 ranks (i.e. go down a rank from where they were before the fight).
Mind Thief: Now, after a successful corruption, the dark fighter not only gains the extra rank as normal, but also manages to gain some knowledge from their target, namely any one signature style known by the converted fighter.
Cunning Attack: Identical to Perfect attack. The fighter adds 1 point to all successful attacks.
Concept: The followers of the path of darkness are focused on evil. Honor, power, land and skill matter less than spreading the terror of wickedness everywhere. These fighters are loners and often shun the company of others.
Progression and ranks
Dark Apprentice: 0-2
Dark Warrior: 0-4
Dark Knight: 0-6
Dark Master: 0-8
Dark Lord: 0-10
The Void: No ranks
Special Rules: To join the dark path, a Yakuza (or a white belt) must win a fight against an honor or light warrior. After winning they may choose to advance into the path of darkness instead of further into the Yakuza path. A white belt who does this begins as a Dark Apprentice 0. A Yakuza begins at the rank equivalent to what he would be if he had remained a Yakuza.
Dark fighters can only advance in tiers if they defeat a light or honor warrior. However, if the dark fighter ever loses to a light or honor warrior they drop 2 ranks instead of 1. Dark Warriors have 1 buffer rank below their 0 ranks called "Out of Favor". A follower of darkness who is out of favor and wins against a honor or Light Warrior gains 2 ranks but ever only drops 1 rank from such a loss. Dark Apprentices who are "out of favor" and lose a fight are killed. Notice that Dark fighters at rank 0 who lose to a honor or light warrior automatically drop a tier.
The void has no ranks and if this fighter ever loses a fight they drop down to Dark Lord 10.
Special Powers and Abilities
Dark Apprentice: Foul Spirit, Unholy Warrior, Sneaky Trick, Signature Style
Dark Warrior: Master of Shadows, Dirty Trick, Poisoned Blade
Dark Knight: Signature Location, Dirty Trick, Corruption
Dark Master: Mind Thief, Poisoned Blade
Dark Lord: Signature Location, Dirty Trick, Poisoned Blade
The Void: Signature Style, Cunning Attack, Poisoned Blade
Explanation of Powers
Foul Spirit: Because of their evil nature, followers of the path of darkness cannot be insulted and automatically win all insult rounds.
Unholy Warrior: The unholy warrior gains the current location of the fight as a signature location for the duration of the fight or until that location is changed at which point they adopt the new location as a signature location.
Sneaky Trick: As Yakuza
Signature Style: As Honor
Master of Shadows: As Honor
Dirty Trick: As Yakuza
Poisoned Blade: As Yakuza
Corruption: After a successful fight, the dark fighter may attempt to corrupt any sash or honor fighter who is of a lower tier. A corruption round is declared and each fighter posts a move as normal. Any powers that have not come into play in the earlier rounds and which might be useful, (chi strike, dirty trick, sneaky trick, signature immunities) may be used by the fighters. If the corruption is successful, the corrupted fighter becomes a Yakuza of equivalent rank to what they were after losing the fight and the Dark fighter gains 1 extra rank. If the corruption is unsuccessful the honor or sash fighter escapes untainted (though still having lost a rank due to losing the fight) but the power put forth by the dark fighter causes them to lose 2 ranks (i.e. go down a rank from where they were before the fight).
Mind Thief: Now, after a successful corruption, the dark fighter not only gains the extra rank as normal, but also manages to gain some knowledge from their target, namely any one signature style known by the converted fighter.
Cunning Attack: Identical to Perfect attack. The fighter adds 1 point to all successful attacks.
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Wicht
Hero
I think the progression presented is basically balanced against the other two. Mind Thief of course makes for a nasty character if used successfully.
Overall however, the path has a total of 4 sigs as opposed to the 10 found in honor and Yakuza. This is made up for with an extra dirty trick, an extra poisoned blade, the unholy warrior/sneaky trick combo and of course Mindthief. (Perhaps we should cap the mind thief power to 5 or 6 stolen sigs)
My main issue is whether the first sig style should be given at the dark apprentice or dark warrior tier. My notes have it scratched out and rewritten in both tiers. It currently is resting in the Dark Apprentice tier but could easily be bumped.
If anyone wants to playtest this at the Dark Knight level vs. a Brown belt please volunteer.
If this looks good the Light path will be very simple to make - in fact I can perfectly mirror the path of darkness with the light path this way.
Overall however, the path has a total of 4 sigs as opposed to the 10 found in honor and Yakuza. This is made up for with an extra dirty trick, an extra poisoned blade, the unholy warrior/sneaky trick combo and of course Mindthief. (Perhaps we should cap the mind thief power to 5 or 6 stolen sigs)
My main issue is whether the first sig style should be given at the dark apprentice or dark warrior tier. My notes have it scratched out and rewritten in both tiers. It currently is resting in the Dark Apprentice tier but could easily be bumped.
If anyone wants to playtest this at the Dark Knight level vs. a Brown belt please volunteer.
If this looks good the Light path will be very simple to make - in fact I can perfectly mirror the path of darkness with the light path this way.
Phoenix8008
First Post
Wicht, what happened to the Corruption succeeding but the fighter not wishing to change and therefore losing ranks or tiers? The player must have that option in my opinion otherwise it will end up like it did before that no one will fight such a person for fear of being corrupted.
I do like that the corruption only draws them over to the Yakuza Path. To be a Dark path follower, it must be voluntary, huh? After becoming Yakuza they would then have to beat a good guy to switch to the Dark path. Cool!
Everything else looks good at first glance, but Mind Thief might be too powerful. Could there be something where they can only have 3-5 stolen powers total and if they want to take another, then it replaces one that they already had? Othewise, they will eventually outshine the Honor path in Sig styles. It needs a limit badly, and I would think 5 max would be good. This would leave them with 8 Sig styles max which fits in nicely under the Honor path's 10 Sig styles.
I do like that the corruption only draws them over to the Yakuza Path. To be a Dark path follower, it must be voluntary, huh? After becoming Yakuza they would then have to beat a good guy to switch to the Dark path. Cool!
Everything else looks good at first glance, but Mind Thief might be too powerful. Could there be something where they can only have 3-5 stolen powers total and if they want to take another, then it replaces one that they already had? Othewise, they will eventually outshine the Honor path in Sig styles. It needs a limit badly, and I would think 5 max would be good. This would leave them with 8 Sig styles max which fits in nicely under the Honor path's 10 Sig styles.
Wicht
Hero
Berandor said:
If thats the only problem we are doing good - though I think you under-estimate the willingness of our players to accept a fight - As Wicht, Dark Master I never had any problem finding a fight and I was the toughest there was
graydoom has problems, but thats cuz hes cursed
Seriously, if it really seems to be a problem we can change it - what do others think?
An alternative - we could make it so that dark or light who defeat an enemy of equal or lower tier only advance one, but defeating an enemy of higher tier is worth 1 extra rank for each difference in the tiers, giving incentive to take on tougher enemies.
Wicht
Hero
Phoenix8008 said:
The more I think about it the more I think mind thief should have a cap - 5 seems good to me as well.
As for the corruption causing loss in ranks, I was going to wait till all 5 paths were done and then set in concrete how to switch paths - basically I think each move should cost 1 tier per path moved over with the spectrum being Light, Honor, Sash, Yakuza, Dark. Thus in theory a Light warrior could move to Yakuza and lose three tiers. Once a fighter is converted, if they do not want the path they are in, moving to sash is easiest and cost 1 tier. Moving back to the original path would cost 2 tiers.
If that seems too much the alternative would be something like or 5 ranks per path - thus moving from light to Yakuza would cost 15 ranks. Which system seems better?
Anyways, back to the original question, I did not include them inthe corruption rules just cause I was going to make a general rule for it and place it elsewhere
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