You ever have multiple wands you want to use in combat?

[kreynolds]

Side Note: By your logic, KR, could I use a quickened Wand, a Quickened spell and a Quickened Psionic Power all in 1 round?

I'm pretty sure that the limit of one quicken spell or power per round still applies even if you're a Psion/Wizard, so you get one or the other, not both.

In regards to the wand, I might give it to you (depending on what it is), even if you already cast a spell. Take a 1st level magic missile (1d4+1), use-activated, unlimited charges magic item. That would run you roughly 2,000gp. Now, to quicken it, you're looking at a similar magic item, but one that can be kicked off as a free action, that would run you roughly 90,000gp. That's 90,000 gold pieces for 1d4+1 per round.

To me, that's not a terribly big deal, but caution should definately be taken for other cases. For example, for roughly 182,000gp you can have a free action, unlimited charges fireball. That's 6d6 fire damage per round. I don't really see it as game breaking, but I sure see it as sloppy. It might just be a pain to deal with is all.

Just to make it easy, and to prevent such a sloppy ordeal, I'd recommend having the one quicken spell per round limit also apply to magic items. So, you'd get one free action magic item or spell in a round, but not both. That's what I've done in the past for a magical armband I made.

Can I throw in a quickend spell like ability?

Looks that way. You get one quickened spell per round, this we know. The Quicken Spell-Like Ability feat in MMII says you get only one quickened spell-like ability per round, but it does not say that it also effects or applies to the one quickened spell per round rule. So, it looks like you could do both, 1 spell or power plus 1 spell-like ability per round.

 

[Hypersmurf]

I would insist that using a Quickened wand counts against the limit of one Quickened spell per round, and using a Quickened dorje counts against the limit of one Quickened power per round.

I would even lump in Quickened SLA with Quickened spells, and my instinct is to combine spells and powers, for a grand total of "one Quickened anything per round".

-Hyp.

 

[Hypersmurf]

The Quicken Spell-Like Ability feat in MMII says you get only one quickened spell-like ability per round, but it does not say that it also effects or applies to the one quickened spell per round rule.

That's pretty much exactly how Quicken Power is worded - no reference to how the feat interacts with Quicken Spell.

If you rule that powers and spells count towards the same limit, it makes sense that SLAs do too.

-Hyp.

 

[kreynolds]

That's pretty much exactly how Quicken Power is worded - no reference to how the feat interacts with Quicken Spell.

Doesn't surprise me.

If you rule that powers and spells count towards the same limit, it makes sense that SLAs do too.

Not to me, but to each his own, right?

 

[Destil]

Both statements have the same meaning to me.

The way I read the first one, "it takes that long" refers to the casting time, not the 1 action.

Yes, but the problem is it only specifies that this applys if the cast time is longer than 1 action, which implys that a cast time that is shorter the item still requires a standard action to use.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Both statements have the same meaning to me.

The way I read the first one, "it takes that long" refers to the casting time, not the 1 action.

function A(castingTime)
{
var x = 1;

if (castingTime > x)
{
x = castingTime;
}

return x;
}

function B(castingTime)
{
var x = 1;
x = castingTime;
return x;
}

A(0) and B(0) return different results...

-Hyp.

 

[Caliban]

Yes, but the problem is it only specifies that this applys if the cast time is longer than 1 action, which implys that a cast time that is shorter the item still requires a standard action to use.

That statement doesn't take into account metamagic feats.

The statement at the beggining the section is more comprehensive, and overrides it.

For what it's worth, I e-mailed the Sage about this early last year (because I thought it would always be a standard action), and he confirmed that the statement I quoted takes precedence.

 

[Caliban]

pseudo-code Snipped

-Hyp.

Sorry, I won't read computer pseudo-code.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Not to me, but to each his own, right?

All right, I'll bite... why do you have spells and powers take up the same slot, but not SLAs?

-Hyp.

 

[smetzger]

Side Note: By your logic, KR, could I use a quickened Wand, a Quickened spell and a Quickened Psionic Power all in 1 round? Can I throw in a quickend spell like ability? I like the 1 quickened X / round limit simply because it's simple and an effective limit.

Depends if Psionics = Magic