Your choices are Kill, or ... Kill

[Warbringer]

Simple. Clean. Intuitive.

This is the game I want to play.

My house rule dammit

 

[hong]

"Bloodied" is the state of being so roughed up that one is likely to start muttering "Bloody hell".

"Bloody hell, chaps."

 

[Doug McCrae]

Bloodied means you've got red on you.

 

[Deep Blue 9000]

Examples? Because I haven't seen this happen.

All the pro-4e sentiment I've seen is reactionary to the news as it comes out, and then, at best, hopeful speculation beyond this.

http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=220478

This thread is a good example of my point. Two pages of spells are released. Hong and Fourthbear cheer that wizards are nerfed (assuming that these two pages mean they are). This is no different from the OP complaining about all the damage spells from what we've seen. And in both cases, I believe their assumptions are reasonable and valid.

 

[Darth Cyric]

http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=220478

This thread is a good example of my point. Two pages of spells are released. Hong and Fourthbear cheer that wizards are nerfed (assuming that these two pages mean they are). This is no different from the OP complaining about all the damage spells from what we've seen. And in both cases, I believe their assumptions are reasonable and valid.

Nope, big difference. One of Mearls' points that were considered a problem in 3e that would be addressed in 4e was that magic was overpowered, and the nerfing of those spells look like a step in that direction. We expected this, some of us like it, some of us don't.

On the other hand, the OP here suggesting -- nay, outright stating -- that you can't do anything except kill your enemies was based on absolutely zero evidence.

 

[pawsplay]

I know that in Star Wars Saga, people die. Stun damage is interchangeable with regular damage unless you deliver the final blow with a stun weapon. Admittedly, people are pretty durable, but there are some common sources of damage that will kill you quick.

On the other hand, grab has been nerfed. To the extent that the scene on that Tantive IV where Vader chokes the dude who won't say where the ambassador is being impossible. To actually grapple or trip in Star Wars requires a feat which Vader doesn't have.

Disarming is ridiculously difficult. And Force Disarm? I think it was determined Vader needed something like an 18 to do that thing he did to Han on Bespin.

 

[Carnivorous_Bean]

Some criticisms are smart. Some are not. Some of the criticisms which are not smart are ones which rely on "X hasn't been disclosed yet, so there is no X." A legitimate response to arguments of this form is "Then shut up about it until either X is disclosed, or the full rules come out and you know there is no X."

Exactly. For example, criticizing 4e's "split the tree" (and yes, "greater manyshot" stuck in my craw just as hard in 3e -- although I can explain both away by saying it's a momentary spurt of extra-rapid shooting that the archer can't maintain) or the "shielding smite" are critiques with an objective basis, about which rational discussion is possible.

Criticizing the social encounter rules as they scale at 22nd level is simply impossible, because we haven't seen them yet. So such critiques inevitably come across as rants, because the critic appears to be assuming things about the game that nobody knows yet except a few WotC employees.

This thread comes across as one of the latter.

 

[Lonely Tylenol]

I have a question why is it wrong to have questions and concerns about 4E based on the fact that we don't have all the answers but it is okay ot be totally thrilled with the new rule set when we don't have all the answers?

There's a difference between saying "I wonder how 4E will address this," and saying "4E doesn't address this!"

 

[pawsplay]

That also begs the question, why would you read the PHB when you have strong evidence you won't like it? "Gosh, the first twenty pages of War and Peace didn't do it for me, I think I'll read the whole thing!"

 

[Elf Witch]

Think of it as instant heat exhaustion. No lung damage, but you might need some fluids before you feel entirely better after waking up.

Actually my roommate came up with a way to look at it that works for me. That a non lethal fireball is not really fire but crackling red energy sort of like the difference between a fireball and a mana ball in Shadowrun.