Zad/Wizardru's Story Hour (*final update 11/12*)

LordVyreth

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Remember when, way back at the start of the campaign, I was worried about how you guys would do, since you don't generally like the really lethal adventures? I mentioned another SH here on ENWorld were some very experienced players were often killed. In paticular, I remember one fight that was a near TPK, killing most of the party and forcing the survivors to retreat and find new allies.

This was that fight.

Aushanna was a brutal opponent from what I read about her, and you guys did great to only lose one player, especially one who was 2 levels below the party and kind of a strange multiclass in the first place. Well done.
 

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Argent Silvermage

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LightPhoenix said:
Is this the first time that the (most) characters have learned Astrid is a Changeling?
Yes. Up until now only Elizabeth and her shiny friend knew.
Glyf is very freaked out about this. Not that she's a changling but he feels a bit betrayed that she couldn't confide in him. :(
 

WizarDru

Adventurer
Argent Silvermage said:
Yes. Up until now only Elizabeth and her shiny friend knew.
Glyf is very freaked out about this. Not that she's a changling but he feels a bit betrayed that she couldn't confide in him. :(

What the characters do and don't know is a point of conjecture, right now. While Aushanna DID call Astrid a changeling, it's not clear how many really took her at her word.


Concerning the fight: Let me be candid. The problem here is that, judging from my research, the party should really have been 7th level in this fight, not 6th. A number of 4th level spells would have been a big help to stop her. Overall, it's a poorly conceived battle, in that it is pretty much unavoidable and difficult if not impossible to evade once begun. The Blue Tyger Legion never leaves it's own behind if it can avoid it. I softballed Aushanna and they knew it, but in my mind it was inappropriate to do otherwise. Why?

Let's be clear, here....Aushanna is a CR 9 advanced Erinyes who is introduced in an environment designed to heighten her lethality and that is virtually unpredictable by the party's actions. The party figured out that something was going to be summoned, but assumed (based on the whips) that it couldn't be THAT powerful. Aushanna isn't an eggshell with a hammer...she's just a hammer. And with the ability to Rapid Shot at +16, she was doing 4 flaming arrows a turn. Only two or three party members could survive a sustained barrage from her, and not likely for two rounds. In my mind, any fight that is conceived of with the almost certainty that all but the luckiest party will lose at least one character (at least, at these levels, where raise dead and resurrections are problematic) is a poor design.

So why did I let Aushanna stand as it was. A couple of things: first, I underestimated the power of Unholy Blight and the fact that she can cast it at will (as opposed to once a day). Second, I softballed the fight, but it would downright insulting to retcon it, in my mind. The players want a challenge, they just want it to be fair. Someone attempted to bargain with Aushanna early on, but he wasn't the Charisma monkey, and it failed miserably. Astrid, on the other hand (once un-charmed), wielded a Good-aspected halberd and rolled a 29 on her Intimidate. Aushanna backed down....she is Evil, after all, and a lawful devil working for a Chaotic deity...which frankly doesn't make much sense.

Suffice it to say I'll be reviewing the rest of the module a little more closely, to make sure I get the results I'm looking for, since it's clear that the module is nastier than I wanted. It's easy for a DM to make an unwinnable situation...it takes work to make a challenging one. Which isn't to say the rest of the module will be a cake-walk...just that I don't want it to be an unescapable death-trap. ;)
 

dravot

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Argent Silvermage said:
Yes. Up until now only Elizabeth and her shiny friend knew.
Glyf is very freaked out about this. Not that she's a changling but he feels a bit betrayed that she couldn't confide in him. :(

Dear, dear Glyf. She saw a human in Kuo-toa disguise, and was attempting to sow mistrust and discontent amongst us, and you're letting her.

I thought you were stronger.

Such a disappointment.
 

Zad

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We were really off balance at first. Having an artificer in the group means prep is your friend. We were just totally unprepared for a devil. (Had we been, I'm not sure it would have made any difference - played to full lethality, her teleport and ranged attacks spell death for everyone anyway.) But once we had a quick breather, good-aligning the weapons and buffing a little more made us something Aushanna had to take a second look at and decide if it was worth it. We managed to get our act together just enough to appear non-trivial.

Now, what I'm really saying there is "It gave us an excuse on which our suspension of disbelief could rest". It became quickly clear it was unwinnable, and inescapable. (Unwinnable by itself isn't bad provided the party has options, like, say, running.) Sure Wizardru softballed her. We knew, he knew we knew, etc. Satisfying? No. But better than just going through the mechanics of killing everyone. We all see where it's going and try to come up with enough of a in-character reason to make a way out.

It's an imperfect world we live in. A little flexibility on everyone's part helps preserve the fun.
 

ShawnLStroud

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Zad said:
It's an imperfect world we live in. A little flexibility on everyone's part helps preserve the fun.

QFT

I should mention that this story hour makes me want to run/play DnD again. Good job on everyone's part!
 


Argent Silvermage

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dravot said:
Dear, dear Glyf. She saw a human in Kuo-toa disguise, and was attempting to sow mistrust and discontent amongst us, and you're letting her.

I thought you were stronger.

Such a disappointment.
Of Course! It's the barrette of change I made you. It's good enough to even fool a devil! Damn I'm good!
 

Scorch

Explorer
dravot said:
Dear, dear Glyf. She saw a human in Kuo-toa disguise, and was attempting to sow mistrust and discontent amongst us, and you're letting her.

I thought you were stronger.

Such a disappointment.

Krisfallion: Change-a-wha...? *shrug* Meh.
 

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