Zardnaar's thread about movie stats

Zardnaar

Hero
It does tons of them every year. You just don't go to see them.
I should have rephrased it to ones that make lots of money. That's what the Studios want is that next billion dollar franchise.

There's only a few like a handful that have been blockbusters (outside the MCU).

Breakeven point for big budget movies these days is around 500 million maybe 400.

So are new movies being made. Yes. Are they big blockbusters no. And that's what the studios want.

These 80s and 90s reboots are generally movies that adjusted for inflation got more than $500 million on their original run.

I'll see if I can find the article, but Inception I think was the biggest original movie in the last few years iirc.

It's not the article I read but.
https://uproxx.com/movies/movie-theater-attendance-2017/2/
 
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trappedslider

Adventurer
I should have rephrased it to ones that make lots of money. That's what the Studios want is that next billion dollar franchise.
It's a good thing you said BILLION because "Us" $254 million worldwide against a budget of $20 million, Horror movies have always for the most done well with new IPs.

The Curse of La Llorona has grossed $54.7 million in the United States and Canada, and $67.3 million in other territories, for a worldwide total of $122 million, against a production budget of $9 million.

Pet Sematary has grossed $54.7 million in the United States and Canada, and $57.7 million in other territories, for a worldwide total of $112.4 million, against a production budget of $21 million

Escape Room has grossed $57 million in the United States and Canada, and $97.9 million in other territories, for a total worldwide gross of $154.9 million, against a production budget of $9 million
 

Zardnaar

Hero
It's a good thing you said BILLION because "Us" $254 million worldwide against a budget of $20 million, Horror movies have always for the most done well with new IPs.

The Curse of La Llorona has grossed $54.7 million in the United States and Canada, and $67.3 million in other territories, for a worldwide total of $122 million, against a production budget of $9 million.

Pet Sematary has grossed $54.7 million in the United States and Canada, and $57.7 million in other territories, for a worldwide total of $112.4 million, against a production budget of $21 million

Escape Room has grossed $57 million in the United States and Canada, and $97.9 million in other territories, for a total worldwide gross of $154.9 million, against a production budget of $9 million
Those are all Indy type movies. There's not a lot being made between 50 to 100 million and the big movies production costs are exceeding the cost of making all those movies you listed.

There's only been a few big budget success movies in the last decade or so outside of the MCU/DC. Inception got 800 million and iirc that was the biggest one. In 2010.

Also remember the studios only get around half of the box office take. A 200 million dollar movie needs around 500 million to break even due to marketing costs as well.

100 to 300 million dollars box office doesn't really mean much now almost a rounding error.

Exclude Inception name an original non MCU/DC movie that broke 500 million. They exist but apparently it's only a few movies since 2010.
 

trappedslider

Adventurer
Those are all Indy type movies. There's not a lot being made between 50 to 100 million and the big movies production costs are exceeding the cost of making all those movies you listed.
first you state Hollywood doesn't really do new movies then you quantified: ones that make lots of money. Now you say name an original non MCU/DC movie that broke 500 million.

So, I'm starting to think you're moving the goal post.
 

Zardnaar

Hero
first you state Hollywood doesn't really do new movies then you quantified: ones that make lots of money. Now you say name an original non MCU/DC movie that broke 500 million.

So, I'm starting to think you're moving the goal post.
Not really the article was explaining why howwood doesn't do new blockbusters and there were only something like 6 or 8 new movies outside if superhero movies that did well.

Compare with the 90s where you had lots of movies that were blockbusters and originals. I wasn't really talking about Indy movies no one really cares about that win an award at Cannes or something and then make 100 million dollars or less at the office.

They'll get a participation trophy somewhere but the public at large won't care and it will have minimal cultural impact.
 

ccs

39th lv DM
There's only been a few big budget success movies in the last decade or so outside of the MCU/DC. Inception got 800 million and iirc that was the biggest one. In 2010.
Exclude Inception name an original non MCU/DC movie that broke 500 million.
Frozen.
If that's not "original" enough (it is inspired by a HCA tale afterall) then Zootopia.

BTW, a quick Wiki search also says that as of this July the $500M+ club only has 206 members.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fastest-grossing_films
(I couldn't find a concise list, but I also don't care enough to keep looking)
 

Zardnaar

Hero
Frozen.
If that's not "original" enough (it is inspired by a HCA tale afterall) then Zootopia.

BTW, a quick Wiki search also says that as of this July the $500M+ club only has 206 members.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fastest-grossing_films
(I couldn't find a concise list, but I also don't care enough to keep looking)
As I said there's a few. Not many though. Birthday Turkish dinner+ few APAs and Efes so have a good night. Bellydancer weeee
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
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Compare with the 90s where you had lots of movies that were blockbusters and originals. I wasn't really talking about Indy movies no one really cares about that win an award at Cannes or something and then make 100 million dollars or less at the office.
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Ok, name 10 90’s blockbusters which made a billion dollars.
 

Zardnaar

Hero
Ok, name 10 90’s blockbusters which made a billion dollars.
Virtually none you would have to adjust for inflation. T2 comes close. 500 million bin 1991 is about 900 now.

I also gave the 500 million mark which is roughly the break even point on a modern blockbuster. Solo for example lost money on 400 million.

Blockbusters being movies in the 150 to 200 million range plus marketing costs.

Movies cost more to make, more to market and post inflation generally earn less than the 90s.

Alladin for example got 500 million costing 28 million.

I can probably give you 20 or 30 90s movies breaking the equivalent of 500 million. Most of them will be original there's only a handful from the last 10 years that are not superhero movies/sequals/reboots.
 
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Zardnaar

Hero
No 40 is The Mummy, 400 million 20 years ago cost 80 million.

https://www.imdb.com/search/title/?release_date=1990,1999&title_type=feature&sort=boxoffice_gross_us,desc

8 were sequals. 400 million in 1999 is 600 now.

So 32 movies original getting 600 million plus.

Google Fu gave me this.
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/

Almost all the modern movies are sequals, remakes, or established franchises such as MCU at least the top 40. There's frozen and Minions and some 90s movies for originals.

Not many are original in the last 10 years. Blame ourselves though Hollywood will make what makes money but it doesn't look good for originals which was my main point.

Missed Avatar but earlier I was using Inception (2010) as a cut off point. Overall trend is still the same a relative handful of original blockbuster movies.

Top Gun trailer at least looks ok. Not that much of a Tom Cruise (praise be to Xenu) fan, prefer Jennifer Connelly being honest (Labyrinth,Rocketeer, Blood Diamond etc).
 
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Umbran

Mod Squad
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Those are all Indy type movies. There's not a lot being made between 50 to 100 million and the big movies production costs are exceeding the cost of making all those movies you listed.
Who cares about "big"? What you want is a high gross-to-production ratio. If I gross $122 million on an investment of $9 million, I've gotten a 13x return on my investment!

I could make 36 of these small movies for the cost of one Avengers: Endgame, and gross about $4.4 Billion overall. If my Endgame tanks, I lose it all. If half my small budget movies tank, I still walk away with a couple billion dollars.

The difference is not in the gross ticket sales. The difference is in *merchandising*. Kids are getting videogames and toys for Endgame. Nobody is buying La Llarona funko-pops and sheet sets.
 

Zardnaar

Hero
Who cares about "big"? What you want is a high gross-to-production ratio. If I gross $122 million on an investment of $9 million, I've gotten a 13x return on my investment!

I could make 36 of these small movies for the cost of one Avengers: Endgame, and gross about $4.4 Billion overall. If my Endgame tanks, I lose it all. If half my small budget movies tank, I still walk away with a couple billion dollars.

The difference is not in the gross ticket sales. The difference is in *merchandising*. Kids are getting videogames and toys for Endgame. Nobody is buying La Llarona funko-pops and sheet sets.
Except a lot of small movies also fail to hit 100 million. Even fewer become blockbusters but every now and then you get a Blair Witch.

It's also the way movies are funded. If you're an investor you probably want to go with an established franchises.

The big box office hitsvalsi make up a stupidly high % of the yearly box office, not a lot of smaller movies. M CU alone is crazy let alone Disney overall.

The smaller movies aren't bad but their Bix office appeal is limited. Going by the amount if dyds this year the smaller movies quality wise are probably better.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
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Except a lot of small movies also fail to hit 100 million. Even fewer become blockbusters but every now and then you get a Blair Witch.
What's with your obsession with blockbusters? Does a film only count if it's a blockbuster?

The smaller movies aren't bad but their Bix office appeal is limited.
So?

Go see them if you think you'll like them. You're not an investor.

If your requirement to see a film is (a) it be original, and (b) it must be a blockbuster then you're only hurting yourself. Otherwise -- go see the films. They're there.
 

Zardnaar

Hero
What's with your obsession with blockbusters? Does a film only count if it's a blockbuster?



So?

Go see them if you think you'll like them. You're not an investor.

If your requirement to see a film is (a) it be original, and (b) it must be a blockbuster then you're only hurting yourself. Otherwise -- go see the films. They're there.
I'll watch almost anything, it's not me though it's the Hollywood Studios that care about the blockbusters. It's why we don't get new blockbusters I posted the top 40 from the 90s and only 8 were sequels.

It's not entirely the studios fault they're there to make money, if the audiences aren't watching new IPs en masse.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
It's why we don't get new blockbusters
Again, why does it matter to you that films be blockbusters?

There are lots of non-blockbuster films every year. They are great. Go watch 'em. They're still making them, plenty.

There's no "fault" to assign. Nothing is wrong. Blockbusters are there, small films are there. Watch either, or both, or whatever.
 

Zardnaar

Hero
Again, why does it matter to you that films be blockbusters?

There are lots of non-blockbuster films every year. They are great. Go watch 'em. They're still making them, plenty.

There's no "fault" to assign. Nothing is wrong. Blockbusters are there, small films are there. Watch either, or both, or whatever.
Special effects don't make a movie but every now and then you get a movie like T2 with special effects plus storyline and a lot of movies like that are no longer made.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Special effects don't make a movie but every now and then you get a movie like T2 with special effects plus storyline and a lot of movies like that are no longer made.
I really don't understand what your point is, and it seems to change with each post. My interest in the conversation (such that it was) has expired as it's gong nowhere interesting, but I'll reiterate that if you want to see original movies, there are tons of them every year, and they're awesome and available to you. If your requirement for them is that they have to be blockbusters, then I guess you're missing out. Sucks to be you, I guess! :)
 

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