Zee Planes Boss!

[sirwmholder]

Technically, the term "Prime Material" was removed in 3rd edition. It was always just the "material plane" in 3rd...

That's just amazing... I never noticed and I must have read those books a dozen times or so... well I'll probably still call it the Prime Material Plane out of habit... wonder why they changed it... the "Sliders" concept was a very cool switch to play on plane jumping PC's .

William Holder

 

[Irda Ranger]

Technically, the term "Prime Material" was removed in 3rd edition. It was always just the "material plane" in 3rd.

That being said, in Worlds and Monsters, they do confirm that it's just "the world" in 4th edition.

Heh. I never noticed that about 3E either.

I like that in 4E it's just "the world". That's also why I call the Shadowfell and the Feywild "mirror worlds." They're "worlds", not "planes" (like the Astral Sea and the Elemental Chaos); just slightly different than "our own." Like a fun-house mirror though, the reflection is not perfect.

I like this conception because it allows for other mirror worlds. Right off the bat I can think of Ravenloft as a "dark mirror", and a world of dreams.

And there could be different kinds of mirrors. The Feywild, Shadowfell and Ravenloft are mirrors of theme and power, but there could also be mirrors that are exactly like "the world" but alt-history to something. Lots of things to play with.

 

[Alikar]

I like this conception because it allows for other mirror worlds. Right off the bat I can think of Ravenloft as a "dark mirror", and a world of dreams.

And there could be different kinds of mirrors. The Feywild, Shadowfell and Ravenloft are mirrors of theme and power, but there could also be mirrors that are exactly like "the world" but alt-history to something. Lots of things to play with.

Isn't the shadowfell the dark mirror already?

 

[Mostlyjoe]

Shadowfell is shadow, negative energy and i have a special place for ravenloft *grin*

Ravenloft is easy. It's *handwaves* out there, somewhere, and you get sucked in randomly. And then it sucks more...but in a good way. That's all you have to worry about.

 

[Irda Ranger]

Isn't the shadowfell the dark mirror already?

Seems a bit different to me. Shadowfell seems like the land of the dead (or dying). It's grey. Like Hades.

Ravenloft is evil. There are many undead things there, but also many things that are very much alive. It may be dark, but the darkness is vibrant. It pulsates with its own purpose. The mists move, serving causes that cannot be deduced.

 

[Relique du Madde]

Ravenloft is easy. It's *handwaves* out there, somewhere, and you get sucked in randomly. And then it sucks more...but in a good way. That's all you have to worry about.

What scares me about the 4e version of the planes is that its now easier to fall into Ravenloft and the Nightmare Lands now even worse is that it's going to be alot harder to escape considering how demons and devils need to be summoned to leave their respected planes domains..

 

[Irda Ranger]

What scares me about the 4e version of the planes is that its now easier to fall into Ravenloft and the Nightmare Lands now even worse is that it's going to be alot harder to escape considering how demons and devils need to be summoned to leave their respected planes domains..

Er, ... you're the DM. Make it as easy or hard as you want. Mostlyjoe's humorous *hand-wave* comment was spot on. Ravenloft can be a Demi-Plane, a Mirror World or Astral Dominion, as you please. Heck it can even just be a part of "the world" that the Mists control access to.

 

[Cyronax]

Er, ... you're the DM. Make it as easy or hard as you want. Mostlyjoe's humorous *hand-wave* comment was spot on. Ravenloft can be a Demi-Plane, a Mirror World or Astral Dominion, as you please. Heck it can even just be a part of "the world" that the Mists control access to.

What's interesting is that many domains have already been stated as being finite in space. Example - The Nine Hells are supposedly just a vast continent or mapped world.

This sort of model is excellent because it gets over the old way of saying planes are infinite in size but somehow traversable (ie the Great Modron March).

Anyway, back to Ravenloft -- what if Ravenloft could serve as a sort of mirror world that is dominated by fiends and undead that seek to tempt them in more direct ways than they are able to in the real POL world? The Vistani therefore would be the eladrin-type PC race for Ravenloft.

C.I.D.