Zero Divide (OOC Discussion)

[Avalon®]

Vanifae, I'm just about finished with reading the thread. I'll be posting something soon.

 

[Shalimar]

Why is everyone pissed at Haven? Dee was the one who went psycho and stabbed a knife into the tree right next to his face. He told her what he would do if she did it again, and when he had a flash that showed she had done it in the past and would most likely do it again he gave a small taste of it. Haven isn't the bad guy in this, and telling him its pointless to tell her what he will do the next time she uses a knife to threaten him is not at all reasonable since I think they would be a lot more pissed if he just completely buried her under hundreds of tons of earth with no warning.

 

[Vanifae]

Why is everyone pissed at Haven? Dee was the one who went psycho and stabbed a knife into the tree right next to his face. He told her what he would do if she did it again, and when he had a flash that showed she had done it in the past and would most likely do it again he gave a small taste of it. Haven isn't the bad guy in this, and telling him its pointless to tell her what he will do the next time she uses a knife to threaten him is not at all reasonable since I think they would be a lot more pissed if he just completely buried her under hundreds of tons of earth with no warning.

It's sort of like if someone gets in your face and gets angry and then backs down because yeah things got heated then you go and get a car and hit them with it to prove a point and say hey don't mess with me, neither is right... but one is a little more wrong then the other.

 

[Velmont]

Van, I just want to be sure you havn't miss that post

 

[Shalimar]

It's sort of like if someone gets in your face and gets angry and then backs down because yeah things got heated then you go and get a car and hit them with it to prove a point and say hey don't mess with me, neither is right... but one is a little more wrong then the other.

Except Haven didn't hit her with a car. He told her if she ever threatened his life like that again he would bury her alive. He didn't say don't mess with me, he told her if she makes another threat on his life he will bury her alive, and he showed her he was serious about it. This isn't just her getting in his face, this is her pulling a knife, a lethal weapon and stabbing it right next to his face. If he had tried to dodge it and it hit him, she would be a murderer.
You can not downplay that, she insulted him and then he insulted her back and she pulled a knife on him and did something that could have killed him if he tried to react by dodging it.

Haven is not the bad guy, he is showing restraint.

 

[James Heard]

*shrug*

Everyone's character thinks Alan has a chip on his shoulder too, when he's apparently the nicest, sweetest and most reasonable person of all of them. Freaky ex-killers and current paranoids all ... I've wrote it off as transference.

What? *whistles innocently*

 

[Vanifae]

Except Haven didn't hit her with a car. He told her if she ever threatened his life like that again he would bury her alive. He didn't say don't mess with me, he told her if she makes another threat on his life he will bury her alive, and he showed her he was serious about it. This isn't just her getting in his face, this is her pulling a knife, a lethal weapon and stabbing it right next to his face. If he had tried to dodge it and it hit him, she would be a murderer.
You can not downplay that, she insulted him and then he insulted her back and she pulled a knife on him and did something that could have killed him if he tried to react by dodging it.

Haven is not the bad guy, he is showing restraint.

You can't look at it as good or bad, yeah she threatened him, I am making no bones about that, but Haven isn't the good guy here either, both are in the wrong/right.

Haven would probably look less like a bully if he hadn't tried to bury her alive but was serious enough, but through an act of force and violence he pretty much showed I will kill/bury you and I have no qualms with that. Obviously Dee realized that she was in the wrong which is why she backed off, she is an angry person by nature.

This does not excuse her action by any means but responding with force even attempted lethal force in no way justifies Haven.

Like I said before neither side is right, and both are wrong.

 

[Vanifae]

*shrug*

Everyone's character thinks Alan has a chip on his shoulder too, when he's apparently the nicest, sweetest and most reasonable person of all of them. Freaky ex-killers and current paranoids all ... I've wrote it off as transference.

What? *whistles innocently*

This is true too, they are channeling their negative emotions at the nearest target as well.

 

[James Heard]

Come on everyone! Group hug!

 

[Shayuri]

Our good GM hit it on the head.

Dee threatens Haven.

Haven -buries- Dee.

Ref sez: Penalty - Haven.

For those of us watching, who don't have memories to guide our reactions, and are just going by the action/reaction principle, Haven's reaction is -way- out of balance. Dee started it, sure, and Haven had a right to be mad...but to cause the earth to open and swallow her?

And then to threaten not to kill her, but to lock her in a horrible prison forever?

It's just too far. He brought a handgun to a knife fight.