EvolutionKB
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Not that I am aware of. I know we can't work more than that, and if it is needed, we can get a ride home. Unions though, make everything work different...
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Not that I am aware of. I know we can't work more than that, and if it is needed, we can get a ride home. Unions though, make everything work different...
s@squ@tch
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OK, so the creature fell unconscious after Asenfel's blast.
The way I see it, on its turn (since it goes first each combat round), it would get its regeneration (I'm assuming this would be considered a free action), then return to consciousness, allowing it a full turn of action -- which it uses as two move actions -- one to stand up, the other to shamble off a bit more into the brush.
Now, the question to what happens to the folks inside is a sticky wicket. Would those coming after Asenfel's turn that are swallowed AND not-paralyzed (i.e. Lo-Kag) be able to win an unopposed grapple check? The rules really don't specify things one way or another. On one hand, you are inside a creature, and in the real world, when something goes unconscious, their internal organs and systems (the important one in this case is the digestive tract) usually continues to function.
I'm inclined to give Lo-Kag a choice between getting a non-lethal attack (unopposed) or a successful grapple check (to climb back into the mouth).
But since it acts first in the next round (before Dreadnought), I can't imagine him getting the same chance as Lo-Kag.
Keep in mind that although the creature is unconscious, the acid damage in the gullet will continue on all those inside.
I'm open to discussion to make sure that the correct things happen -- the whole grapple/swallow whole/regeneration combination has a lot of room for interpretation, and I don't want anyone to feel they were railroaded.
The way I see it, on its turn (since it goes first each combat round), it would get its regeneration (I'm assuming this would be considered a free action), then return to consciousness, allowing it a full turn of action -- which it uses as two move actions -- one to stand up, the other to shamble off a bit more into the brush.
Now, the question to what happens to the folks inside is a sticky wicket. Would those coming after Asenfel's turn that are swallowed AND not-paralyzed (i.e. Lo-Kag) be able to win an unopposed grapple check? The rules really don't specify things one way or another. On one hand, you are inside a creature, and in the real world, when something goes unconscious, their internal organs and systems (the important one in this case is the digestive tract) usually continues to function.
I'm inclined to give Lo-Kag a choice between getting a non-lethal attack (unopposed) or a successful grapple check (to climb back into the mouth).
But since it acts first in the next round (before Dreadnought), I can't imagine him getting the same chance as Lo-Kag.
Keep in mind that although the creature is unconscious, the acid damage in the gullet will continue on all those inside.
I'm open to discussion to make sure that the correct things happen -- the whole grapple/swallow whole/regeneration combination has a lot of room for interpretation, and I don't want anyone to feel they were railroaded.
Nac Mac Feegle
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I'm punchin' this thing a new one. If it's still alive I want it staying down.
s@squ@tch said:
As always, the GM's interpretation carries the day...however, I caution against too much "In the real world" thinking. The rules place unconscious creatures pretty firmly in the category of "defeated," since they automatically fail saves, are considered 'willing' for the purposes of spells, and so on. Allowing it to continue grappling while unconscious seems not in the -spirit- of the rules, though there's no explicit rule against that interpretation that I'm aware of. The SRD refers to an unconscious creature as helpless though...and goes on to say that, among other things, a helpless foe is "completely at an opponent's mercy."
Take that as you will.
For the benefit of our paralyzed members, would you say they can be cut out from outside? It seems logical to me, but since some of our people don't have long to go, I don't want to waste precious time trying to hack them out while the acid kills them. I can also try to reach them from the mouth and haul them out.
Thoughts?
Edit - Of course, if it wakes up...er...nevermind all that for now.
If when Dreadnought's turn comes up the monster is still active, he'll punch the sucker again. If it's unconscious, he'll crawl to the mouth as posted.Hee.
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s@squ@tch
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I would say that they can either be pulled out via the mouth, or possibly cut out from the outside -- any slashing or piercing weapon would suffice, with the caveat that a small cutting weapon would not lead to any chance of also hurting the person trapped inside, whereas a large weapon, such as a greatsword, might incur a chance to also hit those inside...
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