Batgirl movie cancelled

[Parmandur]

The problem is, in part, comics just don't appeal to kids anymore. At least traditional comics, web comics do ok with the younger generation. I started reading them as a kid because they were easily accessible at grocery stores, drug stores and newsstands. I haven't seen a comic in either grocery or drug stores in a decade or more because they don't sell well there and newsstands don't really exist anymore, at least in the US. Video games, smart phones and tablets now are the draw. I know tons of kids who love superheroes but it's from games, TV and movies, most have never read a comic.

This does not jive with my experience with children.

 

[Hex08]

This does not jive with my experience with children.

You know kids who read comics? If so, I don't doubt you but that's no longer the industry standard, assuming we are talking about traditional American monthly superhero comics like Marvel & DC. Webcomics, manga and YA stuff has a strong younger audience. If wasn't very clear about the distinction, my bad. I figured since we were talking about DC movies I didn't need to clarify.

Surprising New Data Shows Comic Readers Are Leaving Superheroes Behind

As more comics and graphic novels are sold in bookstores, new genres are overtaking costumed crusaders with the rising generation of fans.

www.forbes.com

 

[Parmandur]

You know kids who read comics? If so, I don't doubt you but that's no longer the industry standard, assuming we are talking about traditional American monthly superhero comics like Marvel & DC. Webcomics, manga and YA stuff has a strong younger audience. If wasn't very clear about the distinction, my bad. I figured since we were talking about DC movies I didn't need to clarify.

Surprising New Data Shows Comic Readers Are Leaving Superheroes Behind

As more comics and graphic novels are sold in bookstores, new genres are overtaking costumed crusaders with the rising generation of fans.

www.forbes.com

My own kids, yes. Not monthly, no, but trades and graphic novels aimed at kids.

 

[Deset Gled]

No. That's so far from the truth - IMO.

Look- I'm not a huge fan of their movie strategy; but it was different. There was the Snyder "doom and gloom-a-verse." Which has since morphed into, post Justice League flop, into something much more interesting -
Joker might have been derivative of Scorsese, but it wasn't Marvel.
Suicide Quad (Gunn) might have been reminiscent of Guardians, but it was certainly not Marvel.
The Batman was many things - but not Marvel. And so on.

Kevin Tsujihara basically admitted in 2019 that they had been trying to copy Marvel and failed at it. Here's a couple quick news articles on it from Google:

The key to the DC universe's success was giving up on copying Marvel

When DC decided to follow Marvel with an interconnected cinematic universe of its own, there seemed to be equal parts trepidation and anticipation from movie …

bgr.com

DC Films Finally Admits Marvel Studios Was Right All Along

If you can’t beat ’em, join ’em.

www.vanityfair.com

Warner Bros’ Kevin Tsujihara On The DCEU: Less Interconnectivity “The Right Strategy For Us Right Now”

Warner Bros. chief and CEO Kevin Tsujihara recently engaged in a wide-ranging interview with the Los Angeles Times concerning the future of the storied film studio, and the tumultuous (if ultimately successful) year just past. Of note to film fans, too, was how he spoke of the company’s...

moviemarker.co.uk

So, yeah, they modeled the DCEU after the MCU and it didn't work. And after 2019, what do they have to show for their attempt at change? I'll give you the standalone The Joker and The Batman. But that's basically it. Both the new Suicide Squad and Birds of Prey were falling back their old ways; I don't think they worked any better the second time around. And, unfortunately, a lot of movie activity stopped in 2020 and is just starting to get back on track, so that's basically all they had.

Which leads us to the current DC crisis, which has multiple sources reporting that DC is attempting to copy Marvel again:

Mom, DC is Copying Marvel Again!

Warner Bros. announced a 10-year plan for DC that's "very similar" to what Disney has done with the MCU. We don't think this will turn out well.

news.yahoo.com

DC Reportedly Plans Major Changes to Be More Like Marvel Studios

In a new move, Warner Bros. will look to mimic Marvel Studios for future DC movie and TV success.

thedirect.com

DC Finally Admits Its Plan to Copy the Marvel Cinematic Universe

DC's new boss wants to emulate Marvel's movie success. But can the company recover from years of missteps?

www.denofgeek.com

So, that's about a three year stretch where DC tried to stop copying Marvel, during the pandemic, with little to show for their efforts.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

Kevin Tsujihara basically admitted ....

So, that's about a three year stretch where DC tried to stop copying Marvel, during the pandemic, with little to show for their efforts.

Yes, I don't think you need any admissions to know that the Justice League / Snyder debacle was an attempt to copy Marvel for an interconnected universe. But the trouble was not that it was a copy- it was the Snyder approach that copied them badly.

And since they moved away from the Snyder approach, the actual movies have been .... good. Certainly the overall ROIs have been much better. I think it's difficult to downgrade, inter alia, the new Suicide Squad when it was released during the pandemic and was simultaneously released on streaming, and still made decent money.

And this put aside massive success like The Joker and The Batman.

And this doesn't include the Animated material, or the TV material.

In other words, they are cutting everything that works (animated, TV). And they are redoing the movies, again, despite the movies finally getting traction.

Other than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln? I can't imagine a single person looking at this who is a fan of DC and being happy.

"Hey, let's cut all the good stuff, the stuff the fans like ... with no real strategy after we put it all underneath a guy with no movie experience. Sound good? OKAY THEN!"


ETA- and one more time ... they are getting rid of Batgirl for a tax break, because they are saddled with debt. This isn't a grand awesome strategy. Purely a money play because this company has so little room to maneuver, and one which has angered a lot of the creatives they have to work with in the future (which will drive up their price). Not great, Bob!

 

[Monero]

Good. Wouldve been dogshit anyways given how low quality the Tv show was.

Nothing of value was lost.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

Good. Wouldve been dog**** anyways given how low quality the Tv show was.

1. Please try and avoid cursing. Thanks!

2. The TV show is, assumedly, Batwoman. This is Batgirl. Different characters. Most DC fans know the difference between Barbara Gordon and Kate Kane.

3. Also, the TV show is part of the "Berlanti-verse" (the Arrowverse) - which is decidedly different than this movie. The movie had, for example, J. K. Simmons as Lt. Gordon and Michael Keaton as Batman- you might have heard of him? Which put the movie in the post-Flash DC universe.

4. I'm guessing I know why you have this opinion .... but maybe you'll surprise me!

 

[trappedslider]

1. Please try and avoid cursing. Thanks!

2. The TV show is, assumedly, Batwoman. This is Batgirl. Different characters. Most DC fans know the difference between Barbara Gordon and Kate Kane.

3. Also, the TV show is part of the "Berlanti-verse" (the Arrowverse) - which is decidedly different than this movie. The movie had, for example, J. K. Simmons as Lt. Gordon and Michael Keaton as Batman- you might have heard of him? Which put the movie in the post-Flash DC universe.

And the Arrowverse is going bye-bye as well

 

[Parmandur]

And the Arrowverse is going bye-bye as well

Dangnabbit, that was actually decent.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

And the Arrowverse is going bye-bye as well

Well .... I have mixed feelings about that.

Despite not agreeing with the above poster, the Batwoman TV series was ... not great.
And Flash is really tired. Letting it have an extra half season is almost a mercy killing.
The biggest loss is Legends of Tomorrow, which somehow (despite cast changes) is always fun.

Arrow, Supergirl, and Black Lightning were all already gone.

That just leaves Superman & Lois and Stargirl, right? Are they officially gone?'

ETA- Most importantly, what about the Babylon5 reboot on the CW? Gone too?


ETA2- I read the article by @trappedslider ... totally forgot about Naomi!