Nicely played insult. Asserting that the fans are zealots and suggesting that they examine their beliefs is always a very persuasive argument (I particularly applaud your use of nice buzzwords like "prosyletizing". It always makes people feel good when they are talked down to by their peers!). I like C&C. I like 3.5e. A lot. Once again: BOTH systems are nice in their own way. Now, Im not saying that beginning this thread with such a potentially adversarial query was particularly wise, but I dont think mythmere meant it as a dig on the fans of 3.x, but as an honest means to assess his perceptions. But honestly, some people are doing EXACTLY what mythmere meant. So then, the question is aimed at YOU. Answer it and you might help the situation.