Demonomicon - after the big 14?

[Shemeska]

I'll mention that Nergel and Ereshkigal shouldn't really be there either. While both got their names mentioned in the 1E MM2, that's it (Nergel being mentioned in the Gord books as a "prince of unlife" notwithstanding).

Both have since been pretty thoroughly retconned as Babylonian deities (which I think is more appropriate), the most recent appearance of which had them in Dragon #329.

I'll agree on that one, especially for Nergal. We've got an exiled archdevil on Avernus named Nergal and a Babylonian god on the Gray Waste by the same name. A bit much if we add an Abyssal Lord as well.

 

[Nightfall]

And people think I'm odd for supporting Orcus... Good on Erik.

*agrees that Nergal doesn't need demonic status*

 

[James Jacobs]

There's a bit of ambiguity going on with regards to Green Ronin's Book of Fiends, wherein Erik Mona described many of these "nothing-but-a-name" lords pretty thoroughly. The brief descriptions of their D&D equivalents are deliberately pretty compatible with those (for example, Haagenti is lord of alchemy in both D&D and Green Ronin's cosmology). At the same time, because of IP considerations they're not the same lords, and Paizo could certainly publish contradictory descriptions of them if it wanted. The only thing is, considering the author I doubt they'd want to, and considering the IP issues it seems likely they'll avoid them altogether for the foreseeable future.

Actually, one of the things I've sort of been doing in the Demonomicon articles (and Fiendish Codex, for that matter) is to avoid the material in Green Ronin's Book of Fiends, so that all of the stuff in there can pretty much fit right in alongside of the Demonomicon and Fiendish Codex. Cause as it turns out, Erik and my taste in things demonic is disturbingly similar.

In other words, I don't intend on doing anything with the Demonomicon that contradicts anything in Book of Fiends.

 

[Shemeska]

In other words, I don't intend on doing anything with the Demonomicon that contradicts anything in Book of Fiends.

It's a good way to go about it certainly.

 

[Razz]

Eltab was already given his treatment in Champions of Ruin. No repeats please!

 

[Ripzerai]

Actually, one of the things I've sort of been doing in the Demonomicon articles (and Fiendish Codex, for that matter) is to avoid the material in Green Ronin's Book of Fiends, so that all of the stuff in there can pretty much fit right in alongside of the Demonomicon and Fiendish Codex.

So... I guessed right, then? There probably won't be any full articles on Abraxas, Haagenti, Socothbenoth, Nocticula, or the others described in that other book?

I urge to you quickly retract any statement challenging the magnificence of Ahazu.

You've been warned ...

--Eric

Yeep! Consider it retracted.

 

[Nightfall]

Watch your head Rip. I think someone forgot to feed Eric this week.

 

[James Jacobs]

So... I guessed right, then? There probably won't be any full articles on Abraxas, Haagenti, Socothbenoth, Nocticula, or the others described in that other book?

Correct. They'll get name dropped now and then, though. I name dropped Socothbenoth in the Malcanthet article, for example, and he shows up again as a name drop in "Into the Maw" (part 9 of Savage Tide).

 

[BOZ]

pretty sure he was also name-dropped in Fraz'urb-luu's article, and possibly one other.

 

[NiTessine]

I'll agree on that one, especially for Nergal. We've got an exiled archdevil on Avernus named Nergal and a Babylonian god on the Gray Waste by the same name. A bit much if we add an Abyssal Lord as well.

Aren't they both dead now, though? I seem to recall the archdevil being offed during Elminster in Hell and the Babylonian god (or Untheric, in this case) being reported KIA during the Orcgate Wars in Powers & Pantheons.

Didn't Marduk have a similar problem, too?