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D&D 5E Do you think we'll see revised core books in 2024? (And why I think we will)

Do you think we'll see revised core rulebooks in 2024? And if so, which option?


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They might do a reprint/ revision
Current books were designed for existing players and they've learned a lot about writing 5e rules for new players. Cleaned up versions might work

No way in hell they're doing 6th Ed
DnD has had its best year ever for the last two or three years in a row. No way they're going to risk tanking sales on a new edition that MIGHT maintain sales. You don't do a major shake-up when you're the unquestioned market leader
That's like a NFL team who won three Superbowls in a row deciding to fire the QB and replace half the team. That's just dumb

Or they might skip the reprint and just keep selling the current books. They're still moving copies and that keeps costs low and profits high
 

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Charlaquin

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You don't do a major shake-up when you're the unquestioned market leader
Not necessarily true. In fact, that can be the safest time to take a risk, since your success can insulate you against potential losses if the shake-up turns out poorly.

I don’t think 6e is coming in 2024, but “they’re doing better than ever” isn’t necessarily a reason not to shake things up.
 


I absolutely believe they will have big plans for 2024 for the 50 year anniversary. However, I don't think it's likely to be core rules changes.

Personally, I am not looking forward to 6e in spite of the (fairly small) issues that I see with 5e. I think the rise of streaming and VTTs will so fundamentally alter the business plan for RPGs that there's a very good chance that the way 6e is produced and sold will be totally unrecognizable from prior editions. I think it's very likely that the next edition will be more hostile to player (meaning customer) control of the game. I think they will be encouraged to do the same digitial lock-in they did with 4e, only now they have learned from that and they're less likely to fail. We can't rely on WotC continually flubbing their digital offerings being the primary reason for the game staying open and not becoming a de facto subscription-based "live service" where "playing D&D" is totally inseparable from paying WotC $20/mo.
 

S'mon

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Following up on a (somewhat) heated discussion about whether or not we'll see revised core rulebooks in 2024, I thought it was high time for a new poll (i did a similar one a year or two ago).

NOTE: THIS IS NOT WHAT YOU WANT, BUT WHAT YOU THINK WILL HAPPEN.

Here is a list of reasons why I think it likely that we do. In no particular order:

  • Core rulebooks are the biggest sellers. While 5E is selling like no other edition, and presumably this includes every book, there is nothing like core rulebooks as far as sales go. In fact, this was a major aspect of the "edition treadmill" of past editions: You publish the core rulebooks to start the edition, then endless splats and other supplements until, after long diminishing returns, you exhaust the major aspects of D&D canon. One of the reasons 5E is so successful is that it has taken a different route, a "less is more" approach with 3-5 hardcovers per year and very few secondary (non-hardcover) products. Compare this to 15+ hardcovers in the peak years of 3.5E and 4E, and as many as 70 (!) total supplements in 1995, the height of 2E (precipitating TSR's crash and sale of D&D to WotC two years later).
So while the bulk of the old ways no longer apply, core rulebooks remain strong sellers (as of this writing, the Player's Handbook is #171 among all books on Amazon and still dips into the top 100 now and then, I believe; it is also the #2 among D&D books, just behind the latest, Ravenloft).​
  • Revised Core Rulebooks Don't Compete with but Replace the 2014 Versions. They won't compete with them, but replace them. Meaning, all the people that would have bought the 2014 version will buy the revised version in 2024. Added to those folks are the many people who will buy a revised version to replace their own 2014 version, which is a substantial number, meaning in addition to ongoing sales, potentially (tens of) millions of old players. Meaning, unlike the current core boooks, it has two customer bases: New people coming into the hobby and people wanting the revised version.
  • It will be 10 Years. 10 years is an epoch in gaming time - it will be 20% of D&D history. Simply on this fact alone, revised rulebooks make sense. That's 10 years of tens of millions of players and hundreds of millions of games. That's lots of time to figure out what works well and what needs tweaking. While the 5E rules are probably the least complained-about D&D ruleset, at least that I can remember going back to the early 80s, there are still, inevitably, going to be things that need work. Furthermore, there have been--and will be, over the next few years--new rules, subclasses, and little fiddly bits that can be added to the core rules. Meaning...
  • There's Lots to Revise. Not just errata, but all the little bits that have been published along the way, as well as areas in desperate need of attention: e.g. the ranger, and probably the monk and sorcerer; subclasses, races/heritages, alignment, etc.
  • The 50th Anniversary is Too Good an Opportunity to Pass Up. I would guess that, in addition to the revised core rules, WotC comes out with some sort of commemorative product, maybe something like a 50 Years of D&D book ala the Ars & Arcana, or Worlds of Dungeons & Dragons, etc. But again, with the spike in sales that new core rulebooks offer, I don't see why what is, in the end, a business, would pass up such an opportunity. And it is an opportunity.
  • Consumerism, Baby! For better or worse, we live in a consumer culture. Anyone on the iPhone treadmill knows this; each year, there's a new iPhone, and while I don't follow it closely enough (I still use a 7), it seems they alternate minor and major changes. It would be naive of us to think that Apple is offering us their most advanced technology; the whole point of the yearly phone is to keep people buying. They probably have the tech for the 15 or later already worked out, and are just inching along to keep countless people in the upgrade cycle. Now D&D isn't the iPhone and WotC isn't Apple, but Hasbro is a large corporation and, in the end, they are beholden to shareholders.
  • Socio-cultural Changes. Regardless of where you stand on he various "hot topics," we can all agree that some tweaks should probably be made, if only to clarify intentions and difference between fantasy and reality, and further separate D&D ideas from real world baggage, and perhaps emphasize different modes and styles of play. 2021 is seemingly a different world from 2014, and who knows what 2024 will be like, but the times they are a-changin. Meaning, if nothing else, it is a good time to present a D&D that is truly of the 21st century and one that reflects the current player base, while still, hopefully, retaining the traditional qualities that formed the game into what it is today.
  • Publish New Books While at a High Rather Than at a Low. This might sound counter-intuitive, but as @Ruin Explorer said, it is better to come out with a revision while things are going well. Not to mention, with 50+ million people allegedly playing D&D, that's a lot more potential sales than if, say, D&D declines and there's 10 million fans.

I could go on, but those outline some basics.

Oh yeah, here are further explanations for the poll "Yes" options:

  1. "Mild" - Mostly Cosmetic 50th Anniversary revisions ("5.1 to 5.2"). New art, new covers, maybe some re-organizing of content, and a few additions from the past decade of D&D: maybe a few subclasses, subraces (or heritages), he new rules for racial ability scores and alignment. Meaning, nothing more than cosmetics and midl changes.
  2. "Moderate" - Many small to moderate changes ("5.3-5.5"). As above, but revisions of certain classes, and maybe some other tweaks and fiddly bits, but still not structural changes.
  3. "Major": A bonafide "6E" (by whatever name). A brand new edition. This would almost certainly be more like 1E->2E than 3.5E->4E or 4E->5E, but it would be something more than #2 above.

Which one do I think will occur? In order of likelihood: 2, 1, 3. I think 2 is more likely than 1 because there are a lot of things to change and adjust, and even if nothing major changes, in total it will feel like something in the range of "5.3" to "5.5."

As for 3, I think WotC is out of the "new edition" business and will instead go for "revisions," at least as long as the current Golden Age lasts (and they never do). Whether that is 10, 15, or 20 years from now, who knows. But 5E is booming and chances are it won't crash before 2024. Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, a true new edition would have far more risk than reward. A new edition is not needed, just a few tweaks and polishing.

So what do you think?
I used to think they would publish 6e in 2024. But with 5e's great and continuing success, that seems like a foolish risk. A minor-ish update including the more Politically Correct revisions of the past couple years (esp Tasha's) seems most likely at this point; basically keeping full compatibility with the current 5e PHB.
 

I vote No.

1
A new edition would take 2.5 years to come. To respect the same timing, official announcement should be done in January 2022. It is in six month! Do we see any smoke, dissatisfaction, slow down about 5ed?

2
A special print, with vintage cover or leather cover. sure. People will like that.
Including errata is an usual procedure.
Including Racial changes seen in Tasha can almost be seen as an errata. It can be take as social responsibility.

3
Do any other material seen in Tasha or Xanathar is important enough to deserve a change in the Core rules?
Hum...., No.
They have claim to be proud of their stable core rules. they won’t alter it for some optional features.

4
Is there any mechanics bugs important enough to worth an update of the core rules?
Do we seen UA on improving rules on bonus action?
or UA changing all classes into Long rest or Short recharge?
Do we seen UA on regrouping saves in the three basic Will, Ref, Fort?
For now there is no sign of intent to change fundamental core rules mechanics. Not a single UA.
So 5.1 or 5.2 is not in the box for now.
 
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Wizards of the Coast and Hasbro can easily throw a big party for the 50th Anniversary of Dungeons & Dragons without producing a revision of the current edition. And in fact... I almost think it would be detrimental to celebrating the anniversary if along with it they are advertising a series of books that basically said "There's a whole bunch of problems and mistakes we've made with this game over the years... many of them involving subtle racial biases we have been complicit in... so let's highlight them for all of you with this new book that seeks to fix it all!"

If WotC wants to remove alignments from orcs and goblins in the Monster Manual and make descriptions of them that allow for more varied personalities (away from monolithic cultures) in order to start trying to fix biases the game might have had over the years... they can do that at any point. They don't need an anniversary year to do so. And in fact, if they did produce a revised edition with the anniversary, they also run the risk of people complaining that WotC didn't go far enough with their efforts to ameliorate the issues of the game. So WotC's attempts at celebration get drowned out by the discussions and arguments of society, justice, biases, and problems that Dungeons & Dragons as a game itself has built it and perpetuates.

Use the 50th to highlight all that is great with the game so that people can celebrate it. Save the corrections and admissions of mistakes for other times.
 


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