Harassment At PaizoCon 2017

In our post-Harvey Weinstein world, more and more people in the various entertainment industries are coming forward with allegations of abuse and harassment, both sexual and psychological. The tabletop gaming industry isn't isolated from this wave of revelation as incidents surface, and will likely continue to surface about professionals, and fans, within the gaming communities.

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In our post-Harvey Weinstein world, more and more people in the various entertainment industries are coming forward with allegations of abuse and harassment, both sexual and psychological. The tabletop gaming industry isn't isolated from this wave of revelation as incidents surface, and will likely continue to surface about professionals, and fans, within the gaming communities.


Stories of harassment within tabletop gaming, at conventions and stores, and even in local gaming groups are nothing new. That is probably the saddest fact of this whole thing: that despite stories being brought to light, not only does harassment continue to happen but the existence of it continues to be denied by some. This denial is one of the factors that allows abuse and harassment to continue within tabletop RPGs.

Allegations of improper behavior at the 2017 PaizoCon by Frog God Games CEO Bill Webb were brought to life by Pathfinder content creator Robert Brookes. Brookes was attending PaizoCon and has written for Paizo and Legendary Games, among others. In an incident involving alcohol, Webb allegedly sexually harassed another guest at the convention and when a staffer attempted to intervene and injury occurred with the staffer.

In a thread about harassment and abuse on gaming forum RPGNet, Frog God Games partner Matt Finch, creator of the Swords & Wizardry retroclone, confirmed that the incident with Webb occurred, and revealed some details about an internal investigation that the partners of Frog God Games conducted into the incident:

"I am Matt Finch, the partner of Frog God Games appointed by the partners to investigate a sexual harassment complaint filed against Mr. Webb at PaizoCon 2017. Mr. Webb was not consulted by the partners on this decision. Due to recent accusations made on Twitter by a third party, I will outline the aspects of the situation to the extent that they do not compromise the confidentiality of the person who filed the report, I will describe the nature of our internal investigation, and will also address the recently-raised tweets by Robert Brookes on his twitter feed. This report will not necessarily be updated; it stands for itself at the time of posting, based on the knowledge I currently have.

"First, it is correct that a complaint was filed with Paizo at PaizoCon against Bill. I was made aware of this by phone on the day it happened (I was not present at the convention). Frog God is aware of the identity of the person who made the complaint, because they spoke to three of our partners at the convention after the event. We have not been invited to share that person’s identity, and although we are not under legal obligation to protect that confidentiality we have elected to respect that person’s desire not to have the event brought into the spotlight.

"Gathering information in a situation like this is necessarily limited due to Paizo’s own confidentiality obligations. To assemble information, I spoke to the three partners who had talked with the person who filed the complaint, and obtained their accounts of what they were told. Secondhand accounts are not perfect, and I had to weigh that against the fact that an attorney making direct contact with someone who has filed such a report can be seen as a threat or intimidation, and weighing those two issues, I chose to rely on a comparison of the conversations between the individual and our partners, plus Paizo’s own resolution of the matter at the time, plus a necessarily-cautious review of Bill’s account. There has been contact between the person who filed the complaint and Frog God partners since the event, and I will provide a screenshot of one such communication with the name redacted. I believe the screenshot provides a great deal of clarification.

"Reducing the event to a level that will maintain confidentiality, my understanding based on my investigation was that Bill Webb took an action and engaged in speech that could be construed as a sexual advance or as gender-dismissive.

"In consequence of this finding, I and another senior partner of the company had a meeting with Mr. Webb about expectations, standards of behavior, and future protocol. We addressed that one’s lack of bad intentions does not excuse problematic behavior.

"Some people have asked that Mr. Webb acknowledge and apologize for the situation. Bill does deeply regret his actions, and understands that they were inappropriate and upsetting. I have told Mr. Webb not to contact the person directly, for the same reason that I have not done so myself: the potential for that contact to appear intimidating or threatening. However, at whatever time the person lets us know that a direct apology from Mr. Webb would be welcomed, that apology will be immediately forthcoming. Mr. Webb is also under instruction not to discuss this matter in public, in case peripheral details were to be inadvertently disclosed that might allow the identification of the person by another party. This is also the reason we chose to have me, as the investigating partner, write the public report, given that a report has become necessary in response to a recent description of the event on Twitter."


We reached out to Webb for comment upon this incident, and we were directed to the RPGNet post by Finch. This is the company's official statement on what happened at PaizoCon. Whether or not there will be further repercussions within Frog God Games due to this incident and Webb's actions remain to be seen.

Paizo CEO Lisa Stevens has released an official statement on the incident on the Paizo forums. When EN World reached out to Paizo for official comment, we were directed to this statement:

"My name is Lisa Stevens and I am the CEO and owner of Paizo Inc. Events of the past few weeks have compelled me to make this statement.

"My company will never condone any sexual harassment or assault against any of our employees, male or female. We will never condone any sexual harassment or assault against any of our customers on paizo.com or at sanctioned organized play activities. Whenever I hear any allegations of sexual harassment or assault related to Paizo’s activities, I always immediately drop whatever I'm doing and I make getting to the bottom of these issues my top priority. We have banned people from paizo.com. We have banned people from participating in our organized play activities. We have stopped doing business with individuals. And we will continue to do so.
"As a woman and a survivor of sexual harassment, sexual assault, and rape, I know what it is like to be on the receiving end of these attacks. I know what it is like to feel the shame, the terror, how it changes your life forever. And because of this, I will never stand for my company to condone this behavior.

"Paizo’s employees are encouraged to come forward with any allegations of sexual harassment or assault and let a manager know as soon as possible. If criminal activities have taken place, they are encouraged to report it to the police and take legal action against the perpetrator. We have asked our employees to not engage in explosive and angry dialogue on paizo.com. We want our website to be a place where our customers feel safe and among friends. If there is problem on paizo.com, then our community team will handle it and, where appropriate, ban the perpetrator.

"In closing, you have my word that I have zero tolerance for sexual harassment and assault, and the same is true of Paizo. Please be aware that we treat these issues with tremendous sensitivity, and only disclose the specifics and resolutions of any such incidents on a need-to-know basis, even within Paizo or with our legal counsel. We do not and will not discuss these matters publicly. Every instance that I am aware of has been thoroughly investigated, and appropriate actions have been taken or are in the process of being taken. You have my word on this."


Unrelated to the PaizoCon incident, Brookes also revealed an incident of harassment within the Pathfinder Society organized play program. When a volunteer staffer reported this incident, their supervisor informed them that an NDA they had signed to be part of the program would not allow her to discuss this incident. Paizo has not officially commented on this incident or commented on whether or not there is an investigation into it.

If tabletop role-playing games are truly going to be an inclusive, we have to be better about not just reporting incidents of abuse and harassment but being dedicated to creating spaces that are safe and free of harassment of our fellow gamers. We also need to shine a spotlight onto the incidents of harassment that occur, it is the responsibility of journalists, bloggers and gamers to do this and let people know that their actions will come to light and that they will be held responsible. It is also important to not just talk about those parts of the gaming communities that we don't agree with, but to also bring to light the improper actions of those companies and communities with whom we do agree, because unless every act of harassment is revealed there will be no change within our communities.

Remember that EN World is an inclusive community.
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billd91

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True, but dude is trying to just brush it off as "just some drunk dude making inappropriate comments"

Yup, that's why I made sure to point out Paizo was ready to call the cops. Even with variations in severity, Paizo being willing to call the cops tells us that the people on the ground thought the situation considerably more severe than a drunk making inappropriate comments. And that's worth a lot more than some commenting yahoo on the internet.
 

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Justin Buell1

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This, exactly. I'm not going to carry torches and pitchforks after someone for being a jerk, or even a foul mouthed jerk. In my book, physical actions carry more weight than words.

So you would have no problem with a Gay man drunkly following you around, telling you what a stud you are and making other sexual inappropriate comments?
 

jimmifett

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Banned
So you would have no problem with a Gay man drunkly following you around, telling you what a stud you are and making other sexual inappropriate comments?

What does gay have to do with anything? If i'm being followed by anyone I don't want to be followed by, I do what any intelligent human being does, I move towards security. If i'm not being physically threatened by a weapon or or appearance of imminent physical attack, it's just a cat calling creep following me, which security will deal with.

Of course, i'm sure now i'll be told I have male privilege blah blah. Anyone can walk away and move towards security. Anyone can scream for attention if grabbed or attacked. Once you get to security, they can escort anyone where they feel they need to go and deal with the follower.
 

Lylandra

Adventurer
True, but dude is trying to just brush it off as "just some drunk dude making inappropriate comments"

And without wanting to rant: Why does someone who knows that he can get unruly while drunk drink alcohol at a public event? Especially when his family is around... being drunk is no excuse at all for any kind of inappropriate behavior (at least in my opinion). No one forces you to drink anyway.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
What does gay have to do with anything? If i'm being followed by anyone I don't want to be followed by, I do what any intelligent human being does, I move towards security. If i'm not being physically threatened by a weapon or or appearance of imminent physical attack, it's just a cat calling creep following me, which security will deal with.

Of course, i'm sure now i'll be told I have male privilege blah blah. Anyone can walk away and move towards security. Anyone can scream for attention if grabbed or attacked. Once you get to security, they can escort anyone where they feel they need to go and deal with the follower.

You’ve now resorted to victim blaming. Leave the thread, please.
 

Obryn

Hero
Yup, that's why I made sure to point out Paizo was ready to call the cops. Even with variations in severity, Paizo being willing to call the cops tells us that the people on the ground thought the situation considerably more severe than a drunk making inappropriate comments. And that's worth a lot more than some commenting yahoo on the internet.
Yeah. It can both be true that...
(1) Assault and harassment are not the same thing and shouldn't be treated as such, and
(2) Both assault and harassment are serious issues that convention staff must take seriously.

There's this weird thing going on in this thread and the one about Mentzer where some folks are coming in and minimizing the importance of harassment because it's not the same thing as assault. This is obviously a really dumb take.

But yeah, I agree - there's also harassment and harassment and this sure seems to be the italicized variation.
 

billd91

Not your screen monkey (he/him)
And without wanting to rant: Why does someone who knows that he can get unruly while drunk drink alcohol at a public event? Especially when his family is around... being drunk is no excuse at all for any kind of inappropriate behavior (at least in my opinion). No one forces you to drink anyway.

Alcoholism? Stress? Because being a little drunk feels pretty good? Nobody knows but Bill Webb. As someone who has also gotten drunk at conventions, I'm not going to throw stones, particularly since all I've heard about Webb's history of drinking is second hand (and tales grow taller on down the line). But if he has a history of really losing control with other people (as opposed to just being a bit of a slob), then he should really seek to deal with that.
 

I'm a longtime fan of Necromancer Games and Frog God, and this shames me. It's now two black eyes to the industry involving OSR figures (not that OSR or new school matters here). Doubly so for the defenses of indefensible behavior as a result.

The OSR should be about taking inspiration from the classic gaming era, not the recidivist attitudes of the time.
 

Shasarak

Banned
Banned
No, it doesn’t make many of us feel any better. Sure, they aren’t going to get burned at the stake, but most people aren’t satisfied with a bar set that low. “Better than history” is not the best we can do.

That is a fantastic glass half full way to look at the best we have ever done! I guess there is always the possibility of having everyone sitting around singing Kumbaya together.
 

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Sunseeker

Guest
That is a fantastic glass half full way to look at the best we have ever done! I guess there is always the possibility of having everyone sitting around singing Kumbaya together.

I'm not entirely sure if this statement is sarcastic, but I want to bounce something off it either way.

Where I work, I have to call people all day long. Sometimes at work. Sometimes at home. Sometimes at their grandmas house. A lot of times, I'm just calling a number that may be the person I'm trying to reach.

But here's the thing: if I don't try the number, I'll never know. I'll never know if they work at Joe's Diner. I'll never know if they're at grandmas or if grandma will tell me how to reach them. I'll just never know until I try.

The same is true here. If we don't shoot for the moon, I can guarantee you we'll never reach it.

Much like the sentiment in the article about D&D and black culture. Trying is good. It never hurts to try and it shows you did make an effort. But often, that effort is still not good enough, and we have to continue to try harder. Settling for "we've improved, isn't that good enough?" isn't acceptable.
 

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