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    Quote Originally Posted by Sadras View Post
    Bored out of my skull from the mass-production of trash coming out of Hollywood, I've started watching some foreign series on Netflix.

    German: Parfum (Perfume book and movie), Dark (reminds me of Stranger Things)
    Turkish: Diriliş: Ertuğrul (Last Kingdom-ish) - only just started this, so won't vouch for it yet.
    Israeli: Fauda (think Homeland-like)
    "The Protectot" (Turkish series on Netflix) is also pretty good, though I haven't watched season 2 yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mallus View Post
    With a little help from the Star Trek rights-holders not suing them!
    If you didn't see lawsuits flying about DS9 vs B5, you wouldn't see them here. The shared ideas are very general, and copyright only applies to specific expressions. Everyone can see the homage, but not so much any direct copying.

    Also, given the involvement of Brannon Braga, I am pretty sure The Orville folks know exactly where the line is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Umbran View Post
    If you didn't see lawsuits flying about DS9 vs B5, you wouldn't see them here. The shared ideas are very general, and copyright only applies to specific expressions. Everyone can see the homage, but not so much any direct copying.

    Also, given the involvement of Brannon Braga, I am pretty sure The Orville folks know exactly where the line is.
    As long as it's not using actual Trek brands you could point to any number of inspirational sources, for most of the stuff that they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Umbran View Post
    If you didn't see lawsuits flying about DS9 vs B5, you wouldn't see them here. The shared ideas are very general, and copyright only applies to specific expressions. Everyone can see the homage, but not so much any direct copying.

    Also, given the involvement of Brannon Braga, I am pretty sure The Orville folks know exactly where the line is.
    Yes, but DS9 and B5 are like McDonalds and Burger King.

    This is more like McDonalds and McDowell's (Coming to America).

    That said, I am quite sure that the attorneys looked over the helpful list that was used in the Axanar suit, and did not use anything from that list Paramount used.*

    All in all, it's pretty impressive. I mean, I even love how they have other famous actors in remote rooms play the Admirals in the United Federation of Planets; sorry, play the Admirals in the Planetary Union.


    *This would be for the substantial similarity component, when alleging that copying an original work happened without reproducing it completely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowkey13 View Post
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    That said, I am quite sure that the attorneys looked over the helpful list that was used in the Axanar suit, and did not use anything from that list Paramount used.*
    Have you looked at that list? It isn't like, "You have things that vaguely resemble Vulcans." It is, "You have things specifically called Vulcans, that look and act the same, have the same culture, and *have the same personal names* as character in copyrighted materials."

    Axanar was not people making something broadly inspired by Trek, or an homage. They were making Trek fanfic in movie form, with *explicit* reference to things in the copyrighted works.

    Avoiding things on that list is *easy*.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Umbran View Post
    Have you looked at that list? It isn't like, "You have things that vaguely resemble Vulcans." It is, "You have things specifically called Vulcans, that look and act the same, have the same culture, and *have the same personal names* as character in copyrighted materials."

    Axanar was not people making something broadly inspired by Trek, or an homage. They were making Trek fanfic in movie form, with *explicit* reference to things in the copyrighted works.

    Avoiding things on that list is *easy*.
    Did you? Seriously, because it was a clearly infringing work (HA! FAIR USE MY POSTERIOR!) it was easy, but look a little closer-

    Uniform with gold shirt
    Cowl Neck w/ Insignia
    Triangular Medals on uni
    A Spacedock with a similar appearance
    Ship designs (speaking of generic ships)
    Use of terms (stardates)
    Warp Drive
    Transporters
    Phasers


    etc.


    Look, we both know that you can't just change all the names and have something not be infringing (see also, objective/subjective test components). The Orville is as close to that line as I'd care to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowkey13 View Post
    Did you? Seriously, because it was a clearly infringing work (HA! FAIR USE MY POSTERIOR!) it was easy, but look a little closer-

    Uniform with gold shirt
    Cowl Neck w/ Insignia
    Triangular Medals on uni
    All with images that showed how very, very similar to the original the Axanar use was. I mean, really, anyone looking at it can see that they're intended to be the same.

    A Spacedock with a similar appearance
    More than "similar".

    Ship designs (speaking of generic ships)
    There are no "generic" ships on the list that I can see. There are very specifically Federation, Klingon, and Vulcan ships, following visual designs set in canon Trek sources.

    Use of terms (stardates)
    Warp Drive
    Transporters
    Phasers
    All specific terms made up for Trek. Of course you can't use 'em. The Orville even avoids using a mechanism similar to a transporter - they get everywhere via shuttle. Ray guns and FTL drives are all over the fiction, no problem there.
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    I'll add a plus one for Fauda and Money Heist on Netflix for foreign language stuff. Waiting on season 3 for both. 3% has a good season one and decent season 2.

    Sense 8 had good season one, average season 2 but got cancelled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrus View Post
    Im struggling with all the Arrowverse superhero shows right now. Flash has lost its sense of fun, Arrow is boring, Legends is just slapstick. Supergirl is currently the best of them.
    We watched them and they were alright but dumped the lot. Gotham, Agents, Arrow, Flash all went downhill. Luke Cage and Jessica Jones were better but got cancelled. Iron Fist was just bad.

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    The only show out of that list that I care about is The Orville.

    The last time I watched a "superhero" TV series on a regular bases was "Lois And Clark".

    All those other shows, while trying to watch one episode to see if it grabs my interest, they failed.

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