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Broadcast TV- Renewals, Cancellations

lowkey13

Exterminate all rational thought
So, a quick link to this ongoing list of broadcast TV shows and their status re: cancellation or renewal-

https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/5/13/18514243/cancelled-tv-shows-2019-renewed-canceled

Highlights/Lowlights for the nerds among us:

Cancelled/Series Finales:
Gotham
iZombie
Supernatural (this was still on?)


Renewed:
The 100
Arrow
Black Lightning
Legend's of Tomorrow
Flash
Agents of SHIELD
The Orville
Supergirl


Still Waiting:
Eh .... nothing that great?




Observation:
Other than the Orville and Agents of Shield, I was shocked to see how the CW had pretty much cornered the market on nerd-friendly broadcast TV.

Okay, so they are more "soap operas with super heroes" than intellectually rigorous programming, but still.
 

Tonguez

Adventurer
yeah, I've stopped watching the CW shows too - so hopefully something else will pop up to offer a bit more interest. At least Agents of Shield is something

I hear that What they Do in Shadows has a season 2
 

lowkey13

Exterminate all rational thought
yeah, I've stopped watching the CW shows too - so hopefully something else will pop up to offer a bit more interest. At least Agents of Shield is something

I hear that What they Do in Shadows has a season 2
Yep, that's confirmed. WHICH IS AWESOME!*

I don't think that there's a comprehensive list of non-broadcast shows and renewals, which is unfortunate.



*Seriously- how did they pull off the guest stars for that last episode? Even so, nothing will ever be as funny, to me, as the City Council meeting episode. So perfect.
 

Tonguez

Adventurer
*Seriously- how did they pull off the guest stars for that last episode? Even so, nothing will ever be as funny, to me, as the City Council meeting episode. So perfect.
I agree that was impressive, especially when you hear that Taika Waititi actually turned down Cate Blanchett appearing because she didnt have a vampire credit to back her up - I suppose it shows just how much influence a Marvel Movie and a fun personality gives you in Hollywood.

I did like the council scene, but for some reason my favourite scene was the Colin v Evie 'fight', that made me giggle
 

lowkey13

Exterminate all rational thought
I agree that was impressive, especially when you hear that Taika Waititi actually turned down Cate Blanchett appearing because she didnt have a vampire credit to back her up - I suppose it shows just how much influence a Marvel Movie and a fun personality gives you in Hollywood.

I did like the council scene, but for some reason my favourite scene was the Colin v Evie 'fight', that made me giggle
That was excellent, but I have had experiences with various local government commissions and councils, and everything about that was so absolutely perfect.

I fully believe that not only does Colin exist, but that he regularly attends local government functions with stacks of index cards and a desire to feed off of me.
 

Morrus

Administrator
Staff member
Arrow was renewed? That's surprising taking the last season into consideration. It couldn't be any more boring
I’m struggling with all the Arrowverse superhero shows right now. Flash has lost its sense of fun, Arrow is boring, Legends is just slapstick. Supergirl is currently the best of them.
 

Sadras

Explorer
Bored out of my skull from the mass-production of trash coming out of Hollywood, I've started watching some foreign series on Netflix.

German: Parfum (Perfume book and movie), Dark (reminds me of Stranger Things)
Turkish: Diriliş: Ertuğrul (Last Kingdom-ish) - only just started this, so won't vouch for it yet.
Israeli: Fauda (think Homeland-like)
 

Mallus

Hero
I'm glad the Agents of Shield are hanging on with the tenacity of a cockroach (I don't mean that in the pejorative sense, I've always liked AoS). Also glad Seth MacFarnlane's Next Generation Cosplay Hour, I mean The Orville is getting another season. It's made with heart and a love for the genre. With a little help from the Star Trek rights-holders not suing them!
 

Ryujin

Adventurer
I’m struggling with all the Arrowverse superhero shows right now. Flash has lost its sense of fun, Arrow is boring, Legends is just slapstick. Supergirl is currently the best of them.
The crossover shows, in an attempt to force viewers to watch the shows that they weren't currently also watching, had the affect on me of making me drop the lot.

Unfortunately it seems that amazon has dropped "The Tick", which I was enjoying.
 

Ryujin

Adventurer
Bored out of my skull from the mass-production of trash coming out of Hollywood, I've started watching some foreign series on Netflix.

German: Parfum (Perfume book and movie), Dark (reminds me of Stranger Things)
Turkish: Diriliş: Ertuğrul (Last Kingdom-ish) - only just started this, so won't vouch for it yet.
Israeli: Fauda (think Homeland-like)
"The Protectot" (Turkish series on Netflix) is also pretty good, though I haven't watched season 2 yet.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
With a little help from the Star Trek rights-holders not suing them!
If you didn't see lawsuits flying about DS9 vs B5, you wouldn't see them here. The shared ideas are very general, and copyright only applies to specific expressions. Everyone can see the homage, but not so much any direct copying.

Also, given the involvement of Brannon Braga, I am pretty sure The Orville folks know exactly where the line is.
 

Ryujin

Adventurer
If you didn't see lawsuits flying about DS9 vs B5, you wouldn't see them here. The shared ideas are very general, and copyright only applies to specific expressions. Everyone can see the homage, but not so much any direct copying.

Also, given the involvement of Brannon Braga, I am pretty sure The Orville folks know exactly where the line is.
As long as it's not using actual Trek brands you could point to any number of inspirational sources, for most of the stuff that they do.
 

lowkey13

Exterminate all rational thought
If you didn't see lawsuits flying about DS9 vs B5, you wouldn't see them here. The shared ideas are very general, and copyright only applies to specific expressions. Everyone can see the homage, but not so much any direct copying.

Also, given the involvement of Brannon Braga, I am pretty sure The Orville folks know exactly where the line is.
Yes, but DS9 and B5 are like McDonalds and Burger King.

This is more like McDonalds and McDowell's (Coming to America).

That said, I am quite sure that the attorneys looked over the helpful list that was used in the Axanar suit, and did not use anything from that list Paramount used.*

All in all, it's pretty impressive. I mean, I even love how they have other famous actors in remote rooms play the Admirals in the United Federation of Planets; sorry, play the Admirals in the Planetary Union.


*This would be for the substantial similarity component, when alleging that copying an original work happened without reproducing it completely.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
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That said, I am quite sure that the attorneys looked over the helpful list that was used in the Axanar suit, and did not use anything from that list Paramount used.*
Have you looked at that list? It isn't like, "You have things that vaguely resemble Vulcans." It is, "You have things specifically called Vulcans, that look and act the same, have the same culture, and *have the same personal names* as character in copyrighted materials."

Axanar was not people making something broadly inspired by Trek, or an homage. They were making Trek fanfic in movie form, with *explicit* reference to things in the copyrighted works.

Avoiding things on that list is *easy*.
 

lowkey13

Exterminate all rational thought
Have you looked at that list? It isn't like, "You have things that vaguely resemble Vulcans." It is, "You have things specifically called Vulcans, that look and act the same, have the same culture, and *have the same personal names* as character in copyrighted materials."

Axanar was not people making something broadly inspired by Trek, or an homage. They were making Trek fanfic in movie form, with *explicit* reference to things in the copyrighted works.

Avoiding things on that list is *easy*.
Did you? Seriously, because it was a clearly infringing work (HA! FAIR USE MY POSTERIOR!) it was easy, but look a little closer-

Uniform with gold shirt
Cowl Neck w/ Insignia
Triangular Medals on uni
A Spacedock with a similar appearance
Ship designs (speaking of generic ships)
Use of terms (stardates)
Warp Drive
Transporters
Phasers


etc.


Look, we both know that you can't just change all the names and have something not be infringing (see also, objective/subjective test components). The Orville is as close to that line as I'd care to go.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Did you? Seriously, because it was a clearly infringing work (HA! FAIR USE MY POSTERIOR!) it was easy, but look a little closer-

Uniform with gold shirt
Cowl Neck w/ Insignia
Triangular Medals on uni
All with images that showed how very, very similar to the original the Axanar use was. I mean, really, anyone looking at it can see that they're intended to be the same.

A Spacedock with a similar appearance
More than "similar".

Ship designs (speaking of generic ships)
There are no "generic" ships on the list that I can see. There are very specifically Federation, Klingon, and Vulcan ships, following visual designs set in canon Trek sources.

Use of terms (stardates)
Warp Drive
Transporters
Phasers
All specific terms made up for Trek. Of course you can't use 'em. The Orville even avoids using a mechanism similar to a transporter - they get everywhere via shuttle. Ray guns and FTL drives are all over the fiction, no problem there.
 

Zardnaar

Explorer
I'll add a plus one for Fauda and Money Heist on Netflix for foreign language stuff. Waiting on season 3 for both. 3% has a good season one and decent season 2.

Sense 8 had good season one, average season 2 but got cancelled.
 
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Zardnaar

Explorer
I’m struggling with all the Arrowverse superhero shows right now. Flash has lost its sense of fun, Arrow is boring, Legends is just slapstick. Supergirl is currently the best of them.
We watched them and they were alright but dumped the lot. Gotham, Agents, Arrow, Flash all went downhill. Luke Cage and Jessica Jones were better but got cancelled. Iron Fist was just bad.
 

Legatus_Legionis

< BLAH HA Ha ha >
The only show out of that list that I care about is The Orville.

The last time I watched a "superhero" TV series on a regular bases was "Lois And Clark".

All those other shows, while trying to watch one episode to see if it grabs my interest, they failed.
 

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