[Bo9S] Notes on swordsage in play

[hong]

Add a "/forum" right after "enworld.org", like so:

http://www.enworld.org/forum/showpost.php?p=3297520&postcount=13

But it's just a lower-level version of the level 20 Padma in this thread.

 

[SPECTRE666]

Add a "/forum" right after "enworld.org", like so:

http://www.enworld.org/forum/showpost.php?p=3297520&postcount=13

But it's just a lower-level version of the level 20 Padma in this thread.

-Thanks.


SPECTRE666

 

[Razz3e]

To the OP, why wouldn't Spring Attack work with maneuvers that require a Standard Action? Don't they work like attacks? I don't see why one couldn't move, attack with a maneuver, and continue moving unless the maneuver was a full-round action.

 

[blargney the second]

Spring Attack lets you move before and after you use the attack action with a melee weapon. You can't replace that attack action with a standard action strike any more than you could replace it with a standard action spell or a standard action breath weapon.

 

[Razz3e]

Strange, I could've swore using a maneuver for an attack is no different than making an actual attack. Does this also mean one could not use feats in conjunction with attacks using maneuvers, such as Combat Expertise and Power Attack?

 

[Kmart Kommando]

Looks like yes to Power Attack and no to Combat Expertise, by how it's worded. We've been using both with martial strikes.

 

[Razz3e]

Looks like yes to Power Attack and no to Combat Expertise, by how it's worded. We've been using both with martial strikes.

I re-read the text and it states no "special attacks" such as bull rush or sunder. I assume they are talking about the attacks described in the Player's Handbook (Aid Another, Bull Rush, Charge, Grapple, Sunder, Trip, etc.), as it does not specifically state anywhere that you cannot combine FEATS with your strike maneuvers. As evidenced by the text, it only mentions bull rush and sunder, not feats.

 

[Old_school_overlord]

If you've used an immediate action, I believe you can still trade your following turn's move action for a swift to boost with.

 

[Jhaelen]

If you've used an immediate action, I believe you can still trade your following turn's move action for a swift to boost with.

Nope.
Many consider it a reasonable house-rule, though. Or at least I've seen many argue that it wouldn't hurt balance to allow trading a move action for a swift action.

I happen to disagree with that view, though.
Imho, many immediate/swift powers have clearly been written under the assumption noone would be able to use them more than once in a given round. It also makes using immediate actions a no-brainer. Normally, it involves a trade-off since taking an immediate action will deprive you of your next swift action.

 

[Kmart Kommando]

I re-read the text and it states no "special attacks" such as bull rush or sunder. I assume they are talking about the attacks described in the Player's Handbook (Aid Another, Bull Rush, Charge, Grapple, Sunder, Trip, etc.), as it does not specifically state anywhere that you cannot combine FEATS with your strike maneuvers. As evidenced by the text, it only mentions bull rush and sunder, not feats.

well, Combat Expertise says

When you use the attack action or the full attack action in melee, you can take a penalty of as much as –5 on your attack roll and add the same number (+5 or less) as a dodge bonus to your Armor Class. This number may not exceed your base attack bonus.

so no strikes that aren't attack actions or full-attack actions, because pretty much all of them are standard actions or fullround actions that happen to involve an attack or several attacks as part of them.
Power Attack just says :

On your action, before making attack rolls for a round, you may choose to subtract a number from all melee attack rolls and add the same number to all melee damage rolls. This number may not exceed your base attack bonus. The penalty on attacks and bonus on damage apply until your next turn.

you can use it with anything that does melee damage.