Paladin and Lay on Hands.

[Surgoshan]

Cha is really useful for some powers. Str is needed to wear plate and it also improves your pure damage powers. You want both. Then you need Con for plate armor and healing surges, and Wis for damage and lay on hands.

Paladins get proficiency in plate armor for free; they don't need to meet the str and con requirements for the armor proficiency feat.

They need them to fill their role as a defender, of course, just not to wear the armor.

 

[baberg]

Target: One creature
Effect: You spend a healing surge but regain no hit points. Instead, the target regains hit points as if it had spent a healing surge. You must have at least one healing surge remaining to use this power. (PHB 91)

I see no problem with how it's worded, personally. But then again I'm used to reading things that are not very descriptive. I look at it as being two effects with one conditional statement

You must have at least one healing surge to use this power (conditional)
You spend a healing surge but regain no hit points. (effect)
- Ok, as long as I have a surge left, I reduce my number of healing surges by one.

The target regains hit points as if it had spent a healing surge. (effect)
- Ok, I'm the target, so I therefore gain hit points as if I had spent a healing surge.

Fluff arguments don't sway me, so yes, you can use Lay on Hands on yourself. And I'd allow the Healing Hands feat to add +CHA even when used on themselves, mostly because I think it's just incorrectly worded in the PHB. But as written, no, the +CHA wouldn't affect a LoH on yourself.

 

[Iku Rex]

Paladins get proficiency in plate armor for free; they don't need to meet the str and con requirements for the armor proficiency feat.

(The FAQ agrees with you. I started a separate thread for the topic. http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=230433 )

 

[Eldorian]

Hey, revisiting this thread because I saw something mentioned earlier in another thread.

Any official word on this? The lay on hands power's range is melee touch, and I couldn't find anywhere on the melee touch range that includes self. But now that I read the "creature" entry I'm beginning to change my mind.

 

[Henry]

Any official word on this? The lay on hands power's range is melee touch, and I couldn't find anywhere on the melee touch range that includes self. But now that I read the "creature" entry I'm beginning to change my mind.

To me, this is one of those "common sense" rulings. Even beyond the definition of "one creature", You can touch yourself with a lay on hands, because that's the way it's been ever since there WAS a lay on hands.

 

[Eldorian]

To me, this is one of those "common sense" rulings. Even beyond the definition of "one creature", You can touch yourself with a lay on hands, because that's the way it's been ever since there WAS a lay on hands.

Yeah, initially I thought, of course, you can target yourself. But then I read the fluff text, the effect text, and the range, and the target, and thought.. hmm... maybe they changed things. Previous editions explicitly stated that "touch" range spells work on the caster. This edition includes "self" when the power is usable on the self, and has powers that only work on allies, which wasn't something I'm familiar with from previous editions. Usable on self, this power rocks.

 

[Switchback]

It's pretty clear under the Target rules on page 57, that 'One Creature' means "allies and enemies both as well as you" as stated.

It makes a special note that "allies or ally" would not mean you, and as this was not the wording used for Lay on Hands, you can use it on yourself.

 

[Lurker37]

Hey, revisiting this thread because I saw something mentioned earlier in another thread.

Any official word on this? The lay on hands power's range is melee touch, and I couldn't find anywhere on the melee touch range that includes self. But now that I read the "creature" entry I'm beginning to change my mind.

http://wizards.custhelp.com/cgi-bin...nNlYXJjaF9ubCZwX3BhZ2U9MQ**&p_li=&p_topview=1

9. Can a Paladin gain healing from his own lay on hands ability?

Yes he can.

That official enough?

 

[Eldorian]

http://wizards.custhelp.com/cgi-bin...nNlYXJjaF9ubCZwX3BhZ2U9MQ**&p_li=&p_topview=1



That official enough?

Thanks much! That document keeps changing and is hard to find on wizard's site.

 

[Danceofmasks]

I just bookmark the main D&D updates page.
http://wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/updates