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PHBII Classes Confirmed

I say that PHBIII will be psi, ki and shadow. 4 psi classes, illusionist, necro, monk and another ki dude. Hopefully with Darksun release. This way they get all the major archetypes back into the game

Hmmm... Just a theory on your idea...

Psion: Psionic Controller
Psychic Warrior: Psionic Defender
Ardent: Psionic Leader
Soulknife: Psionic Striker
Illusionist: Shadow Controller
Necromancer: Shadow Leader
Monk: Ki Striker
Samurai: Ki Defender

So you'd have all the psychic classes, the two classic "shadow" classes, and the two classic "ki" classes. Then, in PHB IV, you could add the rest of the roles to shadow and Ki and add Elemental.
 

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If I may speculate on the Avenger...

1) In PHB I, strikers were glass cannons; high on offense but low on defense.
PHB II gives us the Barbarian however, a striker who is high on defense with high HP but no armor.
I think the Avenger will give us the other side of this; an armored striker.

2) The PHB I gave us a ranged striker (Warlock), a more melee oriented striker (Rogue), and a striker that can go both ways with its build options (Ranger.)
So far we know that the Barbarian will be melee oriented.
To balance this, I think the Avenger will be range oriented.
Long range also helps to differentiate the Avenger from the Paladin; the Paladin is all about swords, shields, and melee, so perhaps the Avenger will focus on radiant lasers and divine lightning, and perhaps ranged weapons like longbows.

To sum it up, my guess is that the Avenger will be a heavily armored ranged-attacker. Avengers may equip longbows and scale armor and shoot both arrows (perhaps infused with divine energy) and beams of holy energy.

That's my guess, anyway.
 

When I come to think about PHB III and IV, there are basicly two possible ways that it could be (probably more ways, but mainly these two):

1) Theme based.
Let's assume that Ki stands for Martial the same way Elemental stands for Arcane (and vice-versa). So that with Ki and Elemental you could base a whole Asian/Oriental campaign/setting, with ki getting monks, ninjas, sohei and whatnots and then Elemental getting the Shugenja (controller) some air/water healing dude (Leader), some fire-based dude (Striker) ad some Earth-based ironskinned dude (defender)... well, I dunno about these examples, but I think you got the idea.

That way they could simply dedicate a whole book for that kind of stuff:
Let's say,
PHB IV :
4 Ki classes
4 Elemental Classes

Then on the earlier book (PHB 3) we'd get another 4/4 split.
PHB III:
4 Psionic Classes
4 Shadow Classes

They could give a much higher emphasys on the setting on those years, in 2009 probably going along with, say, Dark Sun, and on 2010 some oriental setting (either new or another attempt at Rokugan).

Just because PHB I and PHB II are following a 4/2/2 "method" it doesn't have to mean future books must follow the same format, even more considering they had to cover lots of ground on the beginning, and missing some key elements would had been bad. (ie: Fighter, Cleric, Rogue, Wizard; 4 Classes, 3 Power Sources, remove one and you're screwed).

It doesn't necessarily need to be that way for future products, but see below.

2) "Distribution" based.
Following earlier PHB books, they would still split them (the classes) under the 4/2/2 as it would give a more "incomplete" feeling and thus would sell better, as you'd end up with the feeling that you'll want the next book to get the classes that got left out.

On the same note, they can't for instance give us everything we're missing from earlier editions in a single book. Monk, Illusionist, Necromancer +Psionics, if they bring all that in a single book (PHB 3), there won't be anything "important" on the next book that's significant enough for some people to get it. Even though the idea of having a book containing 8 new and never before seen classes would be awesome for some people, for some other people it would be the complete opposite, which means, they wouldn't buy a book if there's nothing in there that they already identify with.

For that reason, I think that if it follows that method we'd see something like this (although it could work some other way):

Shadow (4)
Ki (2)
Elemental (2)


Psionics (4)
Ki (2)
Elemental (2)

Pick these two distributions any order you want for PHB 3 and 4. (And also, Shadow and Elemental being interchangeable).

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Which way do I think it's best?
Actually both ways have problems.

See, when I say that "some people might not like the book for it doesn't have something 'important' for them" in method (1) it's much easier for that to happen. Myself, for instance, wouldn't buy a PHB fully centered on Oriental classes, as I personally have no interest on it, and the way I divided it up, PHB 4 would be fully "Oriental".

Method (2) gives the feeling of "incomplete" as mentioned above, which I don't like either.


Either way, I'm getting the impression that my chances of getting any PHB after PHB II are getting considerably diminished as time goes by. In the end, naturally, only time will tell when I get to see what's inside, and then decide about it.

Anyways, this is just some random speculation from my part, sorry if I made you read through all of this :p
 
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I say that PHBIII will be psi, ki and shadow. 4 psi classes, illusionist, necro, monk and another ki dude. Hopefully with Darksun release. This way they get all the major archetypes back into the game


This is 100% exactly what I've been asking for and want to happen. That would be perfect!
 

Hmmm... Just a theory on your idea...

Psion: Psionic Controller
Psychic Warrior: Psionic Defender
Ardent: Psionic Leader
Soulknife: Psionic Striker
Illusionist: Shadow Controller
Necromancer: Shadow Leader
Monk: Ki Striker
Samurai: Ki Defender

So you'd have all the psychic classes, the two classic "shadow" classes, and the two classic "ki" classes. Then, in PHB IV, you could add the rest of the roles to shadow and Ki and add Elemental.
I think everyone has the Shadow power source wrong. Everyone's assuming that because the Shadow power source has been previewed as containing necromancy and illusion, that there must be a necromancer and an illusionist.

I think that's faulty reasoning.

The Shadow power source was born from the 3e Shadowcaster. It used illusions, sure, but only as a portion of a larger power set. That's the same way it used necromancy. I'd look for the Shadow power source to be more about "shadow" as in "the themes that animated the shadow power source in 3e augmented for 4e" instead of as in "individual classes that each focus on one constituent element of the things that went into the mixture that we call the shadow power source."

So I'd expect the Shadowcaster himself to be the controller. I'd look for some sort of class that mixes the shadowdancer and the Shadow Hand discipline from Tome of Battle. I'd expect the necromancer, honestly, but maybe not in the way everyone thinks- remember that one base class for 3e that was all necromancy but didn't really summon stuff? I'd expect that. I don't know what the fourth will be.
 


To sum it up, my guess is that the Avenger will be a heavily armored ranged-attacker. Avengers may equip longbows and scale armor and shoot both arrows (perhaps infused with divine energy) and beams of holy energy.
I agree that the avenger will be a heavy striker like the barbarian. Unlike the barbarian, which gets defender style hitpoints and gobs of thps but low AC, I believe that avengers will get good armor (up to Chain at least) but have traditional striker/leader style hitpoints. Perhaps a less platey, more stabbity avenging paladin? :) I don't think they'll be ranged - or, at least, I don't think they'll be exclusively ranged. That is, avengers could have two builds, one for up close and personal melee avenging, the other for avenging from a distance, behind the defender.
 


Eh. I think of the Blackguard as divine myself. I hope they call the Shadow Defender the Hexblade.

That could work too. Methinks it would be pretty neat to have both a Hexblade and a Hexhammer built Warlock in the same party.
Hex could be the new War!

Yeah, but in any case, I'm rooting for some kind of shadow defender in PHB III because I love me some black knights.:devil:
 

Lets work under the likely assumption that WotC is creating 4 of each power source. The origional PHB had 4 martial, 2 divine, 2 arcane. That means that the PHBII should have 4 primal, 2 divine, 2 arcane.tri

Avenger: Divine Striker. This fills in the Striker slot.
Barbarian: Primal Striker. we've all seen the preview.
Bard: Arcane Leader, we've all seen the preview.
Druid: Primal Controller, we've all seen the preview.
Invoker: Divine Controller, we've all seen the preview.
Shaman: Primal Leader, we've all seen the preview.
Warden: Primal Defender. This fills in the Defender Slot.

That has every single role filled but Arcane Defender, which WAS filled by the campaign specific Swordmage.

That means that Sorceror is the big wild-card.
 

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