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Pathfinder 1E Paizo sets price of Pathfinder RPG PDF at $9.99!!!!!

aboyd

Explorer
No. No, no, no.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, according to Erik's post right after yours:

The simple fact is that we are so confident in the quality of the Pathfinder Core Rulebook that we believe the large majority of "check it out and see at the cheaper price" customers will be convinced to buy the hardcover and lots of our other products after getting a look at (and perhaps even using) the PDF.
He worded it nicely; I worded it in the most brutal and dismissive fashion possible. However, they both boil down to the same thing -- your market segment isn't statistically significant. You or people like you will be moved into another segment.

Of course, Erik will probably think I'm a jerk for using his very PC text to defend my very blunt text, but people have called me that for a long time. I can handle it. :) The bottom line is that they care about the market that buys both and they priced for it, just as Lisa said. /me shrugs. There is nothing new under the sun.

EDIT: perhaps the reason I am fine with this state of affairs is that I am exactly the market they are claiming. I intended to have nothing to do with Pathfinder until this $9.99 price point, and now that they've "caught" me, I'll likely buy some hard cover books too.
 
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sjmiller

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We're basically an echo chamber here since I suspect that enworld is slanted heavily towards PDF wanting consumers/slightly adverse to dead tree versions.
I know that I am one who will buy a physical book (I am not fond of the term "dead tree version") over a pdf just about every time. Judging from what I have seen when this topic crops up, I am not the only one. I prefer to curl up on the couch and read my gaming books, or take them with me and read in the car, etc. I can't do that with my pdfs, as I have no laptop or netbook to do it. Printing a pdf now that I am not working in my old office is out of the question, so that would leave me sitting at my desk to read and use it.

Now, that's not to say that I am not tempted by the $10 pdf. I may save some cash to get it, or have someone get it for me. Being unemployed, I cannot afford to get the physical book, much as I would prefer it. So, I do not think that the ENWorld populace is as pdf slanted as you might think. I could be wrong, but I do not think so this time.
 

AllisterH

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I'm interested to hear why you think EN World users would be "slightly averse" to print editions of products? That's certainly not my assumption.

Enworld strikes me as more PDF-friendly than say posters on rpg.net or WOTC. If given a choice between a PDF and a hardback, the number of PDF buyers will be closer to half and half among enworld which is higher than what I expect on say a general science fiction board.

re: MTGO and pricing
MTGO actually gives you a free starter deck when you purchase it (not sure if this has changed)

re: Game stores
There was another thread where we guessed how long game stores would be around. Still believe that as long as the game store owners provide a service that can't be matched over the internet, they will thrive but I do think simply saying "to hell with them" as this thread has done is NOT a good thing for the longterm health of the industry...
 


ggroy

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AllisterH said:
We're basically an echo chamber here since I suspect that enworld is slanted heavily towards PDF wanting consumers/slightly adverse to dead tree versions.

Erik Mona said:
I'm interested to hear why you think EN World users would be "slightly averse" to print editions of products? That's certainly not my assumption.

I have not purchased any PDFs yet, and will most likely not be doing so in the near future. I don't subscribe to digital services like DDI either.

I'm strictly dead-tree print books when it comes to tabletop pen and paper RPGs.
 

alleynbard

First Post
It probably isn't a good sign that it was that easy to guess. :D

I read your post and immediately thought "Guardtower" as well. Crappy service and it smells like unwashed bodies and cat piss. I would walk out of that store with my eyes watering and my lungs full of gunk.

I actually watched a person walk from a game table, pick up a book off the shelf, and take it back to the table. He browsed the book, looking for a rule germane to the game he was playing, while eating a piece of pizza. When he was done, he walked the book back to the shelf, the cover was spotted in grease.

/off topic
 

alleynbard

First Post
I probably even know which employee it was.

As do I.

I came to the realization at one point that I could walk out with half the store in my pockets and he wouldn't notice. I would never do that. But it was amazing how little they really watch their stock.
 

Cadfan

First Post
Yes, yes, yes, yes, according to Erik's post right after yours:


He worded it nicely; I worded it in the most brutal and dismissive fashion possible. However, they both boil down to the same thing -- your market segment isn't statistically significant. You or people like you will be moved into another segment.

Of course, Erik will probably think I'm a jerk for using his very PC text to defend my very blunt text, but I'm OK being the jerk. The bottom line is that they care about the market that buys both and they priced for it, just as Lisa said. /me shrugs. There is nothing new under the sun.

EDIT: perhaps the reason I am fine with this state of affairs is that I am exactly the market they are claiming. I intended to have nothing to do with Pathfinder until this $9.99 price point, and now that they've "caught" me, I'll likely buy some hard cover books too.
Wow.

Alright, lets do this slowly.

1. EM makes the argument that Lisa did not mean to disparage or ignore the demographic that will purchase pdfs and not hardcopies if the price point for a pdf is right for pdf, and which will purchase hardcopy if the price point is wrong for pdf. He's misreading her, of course, basic literacy and a reading of Lisa's post clearly show that she's attempting to divide customers into two categories of format preference, and to argue that they don't overlap based on price. Her entire argument about the effect of inexpensive pdfs on gamings tores fails if there's a meaningful group of people who do in fact price shop formats.

2. You misread EM's post to say that the price shopping demographic is insignificant. He doesn't say that at all. He just says that he's sure that Lisa didn't mean to overlook that demographic. He is perhaps misreading me as someone who feels insulted... I'm not, I'm just an internet pedant who doesn't believe for a moment that pricing is irrelevant to format choices. Anyways, he doesn't say the things you apparently believe he says. I'm really not sure how you misread him since he only wrote three sentences.

So... yeah. I think Lisa is wrong. EM misreads Lisa. You misread EM.

I don't know why this is hard for people. Of course cheap pdfs hurt stores that sell more expensive hardcopy. An alternatives to purchase in stores hurts stores. Cheap, convenient alternatives to purchase in stores hurts stores more. This shouldn't be controversial.

For the record, again, since I'm not sure people are entirely grasping this, I really, really, genuinely do not have a problem with this. I do not consider gaming stores to be some sort of ethical cause that we are obligated to support. I do not think that offering consumers a desirable alternative to purchases through brick and mortar stores is somehow wrong. On the contrary, I think it is a very positive thing.

I just don't feel the need to make up rationalizations or crazy arguments to the effect that one's preference in RPG format is somehow a 0% elasticity good just so you can reach the counter intuitive conclusion that cheap alternatives don't trade off with existing choices.
 

alleynbard

First Post
At $9.99 I could see buying a copy. I can't imagine going back to 3e but at that price point I can at least take a look. Who knows? If it really "wows" me, I might pick up the hardcover.

Despite being a 4e GM, I am big fan of other Paizo material. Their fluff is fantastic. So, at the very least, they deserve a perusal from me. Perhaps I will find some rules material that will inspire house rules/hombrew rules in my 4e game.
 
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aboyd

Explorer
So... yeah. I think Lisa is wrong. EM misreads Lisa. You misread EM.
/me sighs.

I know that whenever we get to a point in a discussion where one person is claiming everyone else "just doesn't get it" and how it's so obvious and "why is this so hard for you" -- as if everyone else is dense... well, I know the conversation is over. So, thanks for the chat.
 

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