It's Dark Sun

Heck, from your comments in other places, I was utterly convinced that you don't play current-edition D&D, so I'm not sure why you'd care, at all.
That's awfully dismissive.

A well-made setting can persuade people to try new games or new editions. Just because someone's not playing 4e now doesn't mean they never will, with something that captures their imagination. It's not an exclusive club where you have to like 4e ahead of time to like a 4e setting.

-O
 

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The revised DS box set did more to ruin Dark Sun than 4e FR did to ruin the Realms. The fact that they recognize it and are retconing it out is fantastic.

I'm a Dark Sun fan, and I'm excited about this announcement.

YAY.. The Mind Lords of the Last Sea was just a BAD DREAM!!


I'm expecting a reimagining of Dark Sun. I'd be thrilled if it's similar in theme, and uses familiar elements, but adds stuff that just never existed in Dark Sun before in ways that attempt to be thematically appropriate.

I don't expect it to be 100% - or even 80% - faithful to the original set. I expect it will be a great and flavorful setting of its own, much like New Battlestar Galactica was to Old Battlestar Galactica.

-O


man.. i soooooo second that!! gratz " :)
 

Pardon the mass-reply here...

Rats! I had placed my 1 gold crown bet on Dragonlance.:p Oh well, go Dark Sun!

Gold is worthless in Dragonlance anyway, so that's why you lost the bet. Next time, bet steel! ;)

Hamster and rangers everywhere, rejoice!

I have no idea what this means, but it made me chuckle. :D

So they've done a 'Realms-shattering-event' for FR, basically retconned 4e changes for Eberron, and it looks like Dark Sun is getting a reboot back to its original setting (with 4e tweaks, presumably). Three very different models on how to handle things.

Which gives me hope. The biggest reason I was hoping it wasn't Dragonlance was because I was afraid that WotC might approach the setting in a way that isn't conducive to the setting. So let's see how Dark Sun turns out.

And as much as I love Dragonlance, I'm excited to see Dark Sun! Congrats to the folks at Athas.org for keeping the torch alive! I hope you guys get some loving from WotC for your efforts!

The gods of the setting are absent or dead, replaced by elemental spirits tied to the ancient primordials. Shamans and other primal characters draw on the forces of sun, sand, wind, and precious rain. Wizards practice their magic in secret or openly serve the sorcerer-kings. And psionic power is more common than on other worlds -- which is handy, since this setting will come out a few months after Player’s Handbook 3, which introduces the psionic power source.

Hells yeah!

Check out this other part of the interview:

James Wyatt: Our goal with the setting was to cleave as close to the original boxed set as possible while still allowing as many D&D options as we could and making the setting ideal for 4th Edition play. We’re in the process of re-releasing Troy Denning’s excellent Prism Pentad series of novels, and we didn’t want readers to come away from those books and look at the campaign setting and not recognize it as the same world. So we tried to capture the essence of the original Dark Sun boxed set while ensuring that the Prism Pentad novels could be one possible way things turn out.

Emphasis mine. So all the critics of the Prism Pentad don't have to worry.

I would be interested to hear how the Dragon and Dungeon Dark Sun material from 3.5 would be utilized in the setting, if at all.

Perhaps they will expand on the gladiator mechanics and make it into core Dark Sun.

I suspect we won't see a gladiator class. Rather, I could see it being a fighter build, or some sort of fighter paragon path.

As someone who has basically no exposure to the Dark Sun setting, what is the big deal with races? How does it break the setting to have all the 4e races as playable?

Dark Sun is a world that is so harsh, some of the races no longer exist. Gnomes are now extinct (and I hope that prevails). Some races, though, have adapted very nicely. Halflings, for example, are now cannibals.

I think most 4e races will work nicely. The fey step of the eladrin might need some explaining, but a little fluff will work out. Dragonborn would be an incredible visual, but you would have to explain their relationship to the dragon. Goliaths would be a natural fit, though they may possibly take the place of half-giants (maybe they're one and the same?). I'm not certain how deva or tieflings will work, but I'm willing to reserve judgment.

I'm hoping we might see some of the XPH races for Dark Sun as we did in the Dragon article in 3.5.

Ooh! Sorcerer-king epic destiny!

So if there's a new class, what might it be? Templar? Elemental-flavored divine class?

What paragon paths might we see?
 

What? They didn't tell you? Were you one of those who voted for Al Qadim? ;)
That made me laugh out loud, heartily. Nice work. (Not sure my office mate appreciated the outburst as much, however.)

I'm expecting a reimagining of Dark Sun. I'd be thrilled if it's similar in theme, and uses familiar elements, but adds stuff that just never existed in Dark Sun before in ways that attempt to be thematically appropriate.

I don't expect it to be 100% - or even 80% - faithful to the original set. I expect it will be a great and flavorful setting of its own, much like New Battlestar Galactica was to Old Battlestar Galactica.

-O
Same here. Ever since I first read the 4e rules, I thought Dark Sun would be a good fit. So I am very pleased to hear the announcement. But I agree entirely that it might best be a reimagining of the setting rather than straight conversion. I keep thinking of Battlestar Galatica as a good example of reimagining working out so much better than a "Let's reshoot it, but with more expensive special effects!" I think if done well, a reimagined 4e Dark Sun would be an incredible setting and big hit. A line by line conversion would just be kinda cool. ;)

But we'll have to wait and see how it pans out. I've been mixed on the 4e campaigns so far. FR was so dramatically changed, that I wasn't interested in picking it up since I prefer it as a nice default/baseline setting than a Roger Dean painting. Eberron stayed true to the old material, which I thought I would love, but then looking at all of the 3.5 region books I had, I realized there wasn't enough that I didn't already have. Thankfully, Dark Sun is old enough, and I'm personally not very tied to the existing canon, that I think I'll be happy with a 4e Dark Sun that is both awesome and stays true to the spirit of the setting. :)
 


The mechanical aspect I am most interested in seeing if they do something with is Psionic Wild Talents. I really do hope that Psionics for PCs goes beyond just the classes, and you can have some manner of Psionic abilities at Level 1 as just something you have.
 

I noticed that too. I suspect that many DS races and classes will be in the PHB3. But I think they'll want to a player's guide to include DS specific feats and paragon paths.

We know the PHB3 has four races, and three are spoiled: Wilden, Githzerai, Minotaur and one other (we know it's not Githyanki). And I don't really expect the fourth to be Thri-Kreen.

Psionic classes are in, of course.
 


I found this old pic online. I didn't even know they released an AD&D brand of DS minis:

DarkSun.jpg


WotC is going have a field day with the new line of character models and monsters for DS.
 

Dark Sun warforged would actually be pretty cool IMO.

Constructs of obsidian, stone, and bone plates affixed to a skeleton of living wood from beyond the mountains. Animated by powerful defiling dragon magic, and made sentient by the unfathomable psionic powers of the Sorcerer Kings.

Obsidian souled enforcers bound to a Sorcerer King's iron will, the warforged do not tire, do not thirst, do not hunger, and do not question. Whether standing guard upon the walls of the city state under the crushing mid day sun, or stalking the deserts for life to enslave, the Warforged obey the will of their Sorcerer King...

But what happens when their Sorcerer King dies? What is their will then?

Being resistant to environmental effects in exchange for being about as lovable and trustworthy as a rogue T-800 seems like a fair trade. Especially in a world as trustless as Dark Sun.
Uh... what's the word I'm looking for... oh yeah - NERDGASM!!!11!1!one!!
 

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