What if you brought 4E back to 1970?

[Raven Crowking]

LotR makes many references to "half-orcs", but that can reasonably be interpreted as "half-corrupted elf", rather than a true-breeding species.

Only if you ignore the text.......


RC

 

[Desdichado]

As for the "Star Wars" comment, I stand by it. Yes, I WAS there, yes it broke records and a lot of that was "repeat offenders". Without hijacking, it was revolutionary compared to the "space operas" that proceeded it (and many that followed). But it didn't have the largest opening for a movie, even though it was the top grossing film of that week, it ranks very low on the all time opening weekend ranks (somewhere arouns 1400, IIRC, so it took time to build that head of steam. Of course finding great figures is pretty hard now that many analysts lump the all time gross in the figures. (which make it one of the top grossing films of all time.)

Are you still digging this hole? Good heavens, are you ignorant! It didn't take years to build up a head of steam. It was the highest grossing movie of all time within a few months of opening, during its original theatrical run.

You're way off base.

Still.

 

[Mark]

Are you still digging this hole? Good heavens, are you ignorant! It didn't take years to build up a head of steam. It was the highest grossing movie of all time within a few months of opening, during its original theatrical run.

You're way off base.

Still.

You could refute him with records from -

Box Office Mojo

 

[Desdichado]

LotR makes many references to "half-orcs", but that can reasonably be interpreted as "half-corrupted elf", rather than a true-breeding species.

The orcs as corrupted elves thing from Tolkien is given more due than it deserves in my opinion. Christopher Tolkien included a statement to that effect when he did The Silmarillion with Guy Gavriel Kay from his father's notes, but he later admitted that he thought the entire Silmarillion project was a mistake. Subsequently released notes from his father are much more unclear and make it obvious that the corrupted elves route was only one among many orc-origins that Tolkien considered, and was not the one he was leaning towards late in his life either.

The wikipedia article on the subject is actually quite good, and seems to hit on most of the highlights: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orc_(Middle-earth)#The_origin_of_Orcs

Other than that, though... I agree. D&D mostly borrowed mythology and folklore. The Gygaxian original creations were not as common as made out here, and only a few of them have gained enough traction to become "classics."

 

[Desdichado]

You could refute him with records from -

Box Office Mojo

I could refute him with any evidence whatsoever. Box Office Mojo, Wikipedia, even the documentaries on the Star Wars DVD release. Pretty much any google search on the topic.

If Thunderfoot wants to make an extraordinary claim that is counter to pretty much everyone's common knowledge, however, I think it's incumbent on him to find some evidence for it.

 

[Mallus]

It was the highest grossing movie of all time within a few months of opening, during its original theatrical run.

Not to mention Stars Wars was critically well-received and nominated for a Best Picture Oscar (losing to Annie Hall).

Well, you know what they say, tenacity is the soul of cockroaches (actually, I just made that up...).

 

[Belen]

I bet it would unseat OD&D, most likely gary and dave would play this instead of there own game. People would take insperation and hit the ground running. The RPG world, and vedio game world would be the same but difffrent...someone makes WOW, and someone launches a new update to D&D and people compair the two...

Gary disliked 3e. I doubt he would have seen the light with 4e.

 

[Desdichado]

Not to mention Stars Wars was critically well-received and nominated for a Best Picture Oscar (losing to Annie Hall).

Well, you know what they say, tenacity is the soul of cockroaches (actually, I just made that up...).

IIRC, it was nominated for ten oscars. I think it won four of them?

Cult film indeed.

 

[Mark]

Star Wars (1977) - Awards

 

[Garthanos]

Only if you ignore the text.......


RC

I think you have to read the Silmarillion a much less popular book than the LOTR to catch that though and you have to have better memory than I

"For the Orcs had life and multiplied after the manner of the Children of Ilúvatar; "

Gives us orcs atleast as a reproducing race... half-orcs a corruption instigated later by Saruman (perhaps as spies who had to take on a bigger role after he lost the majority of his power) is less absolute. But since I didnt like the taking of the shire except maybe the part about Sam stepping up to the plate as a leader... that whole ending part was an anticlimax.. instead of a resolution. The goblin like men seemed men corrupted not a breeding with orcs to my memory.