Goodman Games solicits input

[lmpjr007]

FWIW, he has yet to be banned from RPGnow ...

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Yes I was banned AND brought back in 2006. You can find my product there. Right next to Goodman Games. Remember tell the WHOLE story not just the parts you like.

 

[Hairfoot]

This is quite telling.

I mean, it's not professional quality statistical analysis but it does represent over 7000 D&D-related responses.

It's telling of the demographic of people who use Obsidian Portal to run online games. Not generalisable, by any measure.

WotC estimates, what is it, a million or more players worldwide? I very much doubt that link gives a true estimate of what's being played where by whom.

Note, as well, that 4E is well outnumbered by the other systems on that site, so if Goodman is planning to market to other editions, that source would indicate that he'd be smart to cater to many other editions and variants.

 

[Jason Anderson]

Yes I was banned AND brought back in 2006. You can find my product there.

Not quite - you were a publisher on DTRPG, and when they merged with RPGNow the choice was made to let you remain and be a part of the new company. Saying you were brought back isn't accurate.

 

[Wulf Ratbane]

I would stick to doing 4E modules, since that's what most people play.

But there's not necessarily a correlation between people who play 4e and people who buy adventures from third party publishers.

And in this case, I should point out, we're talking about adventures with an "old school feel."

When I'm feeling nostalgic for that "old school feel," 4th Edition is not on my list. In many ways the design assumptions (and certainly the marketing) of 4th Edition is openly hostile to old school gamers, throwing yet another obstacle in Goodman's path. Goodman built an awesome, enviable brand on the goodwill of old school gamers.

I would still bet my money on Goodman to pull it off again, but I'm not sure he's getting full return on the DCC brand essence with 4e.

 

[Umbran]

Folks,

General note for several of you - watch your manners.

We ask you not to refer to real-world politics. We ask you to be polite, and comport yourselves in a mature manner.

 

[Umbran]

No that should be fine to post here.

Actually, it would likely have been seen as problematic.

 

[Maggan]

Sorry but I call them like I see them. He made several commments that were not just false, but outright lies which I pointed out.

I don't find you calling out any lies in the post. It's a rant, you use the words "this is true" several times, then challenges that Goodman "remains the only "d20 company" still primarily supporting WotC D&D” which I agree is an issue that could be debated but which is IMO "marketing speak" more than a lie, and then you dispute what systems DCC customers are playing.

So from my reading, you haven't actually pointed anything out at all.

/M

 

[jbear]

The old school movement seems more open and inviting to other publishers but I don't know if it has the purchasing power to make such a venture worthwhile. Most of those on the small publishing side that I tend to read seem to indicate a rather smallish scale of things but I have no insider information on this. What was it.... Stonehell dungeon where the author was mentioning something like 500 units solid and I think that included PDF?

Pathfinder... I wouldn't qualify that as 'old school' as much as the d20 branch.

If 4e isn't cutting it and they suspect that Pathfinder would... then Pathfinder is the way to go. In addition, there would be less hassel in the transformation of product from 3.5 to old school 1st ed. Might make it a more viable method, espeically for convention materials.

I don't think what he is contemplating has anything to do with 4e 'cutting it' or not.

It seems like a business man who is trying to find ways to tap into the entire fragmented rpg market. If your products can interest players across many systems all the better.

Sounds like a smart business move. fullstop.

 

[Snoweel]

It's telling of the demographic of people who use Obsidian Portal to run online games. Not generalisable, by any measure.

You don't find it interesting?

WotC estimates, what is it, a million or more players worldwide? I very much doubt that link gives a true estimate of what's being played where by whom.

Did the Obsidian Portal figures match your expectations?

Note, as well, that 4E is well outnumbered by the other systems on that site

4e is just under half.

so if Goodman is planning to market to other editions, that source would indicate that he'd be smart to cater to many other editions and variants.

Definitely. But of the 10 000+ campaigns on the site, 111 systems are represented.

Of those, 13 systems boast 100+ campaigns:

D&D 4e 4864
D&D 3.x 2518 (this includes 3.0, 3.5 and d20)
Other D&D 189 (OD&D and AD&D)
Pathfinder 388
World of Darkness 227
Star Wars Saga 200
GURPS 156
Savage Worlds 139
d20 Modern 126
Shadowrun 124
Dark Heresy 100

 

[Snoweel]

Actually, it would likely have been seen as problematic.

Hence the sarcasm.