Qualidar
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No it's not.
I've experienced D&D4
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No it's not.
Hunter In Darkness
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It is however VERY 4e friendlily and tends to lead to dogpiles if one dislikes 4e too much. YMMV
Fifth Element
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Again, that's not due to something inherent in 4E or its fans, but because 4E is the most recent edition of the game. You got the same things when 3E was new.
I would say it's evenly distributed between 4ed and 3.x fans, which makes it feel a little unwelcoming to either side.
Hunter In Darkness
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I agree it's not as bad as it was, nor as bad here as other places but I was here for 2e-3e and it was no were near this level. The fan base is not the same it was in 2000 and 3e was not in the same spot as 2e was. Nor is the 3e/4e changes like the 2e/3e changes but larger in scope.
All that together makes it a very different thing.
All that together makes it a very different thing.
Fifth Element
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And thank god for that. Why wouldn't it be friendly to 4E, since it's a site dedicated to RPGs, and D&D in particular? It's also very 3E friendly, and very 2E friendly, etc.
What it isn't, is hater-friendly. It's also not edition-war-friendly.
UngeheuerLich
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I think this site has gotten a lot more friendly recently. Most "edition war" threads end with: play whatever you like.
There is nothing inherently wrong with either edition. It was a big change from 3rd to 4th edition. The small change from 3.0 to 3.5 was invoking equal hate. You can´t please everyone is a lesson to be learned. Some changes wnt too far and some not far enough. Sometimes both at the same time.
Some minor details can be changed as we did with ADnD. Character builder makes it harder to customize... but hey, we have a character builder, and a good one to be honest.
Does a wizard feel like a wizard of old? No, but a 3rd edition wizard also didn´t feel like an ADnD wizard... they just looked very similar... You could even have the same spells, but throwing a fireball in ADnD and in D&D or shooting magic missiles had a very different feeling.
A bard in ADnD (sorry for that) looked way better in 3rd edition, but was very bad compared to a bard of 2nd edition, because of equal level progression and the relative uselessness of lower level attack spells. In ADnD a first level spell could be as devastating as a 9th level spell... chromatic orb e.g.
so 3rd edition and 2nd edition had a different feel to it. I was much better in using 3rd edition as DM as i ever could handle 2nd edition because of unified mechanics and better measurement of combat capabilities of PCs and a very easy* to use CR system which easily allowed guessing how much a balanced party can take.
* the CR system worked very well with a single monster or many monsters... i don´t know why so many people didn´t get a grip how it should work.
There is nothing inherently wrong with either edition. It was a big change from 3rd to 4th edition. The small change from 3.0 to 3.5 was invoking equal hate. You can´t please everyone is a lesson to be learned. Some changes wnt too far and some not far enough. Sometimes both at the same time.
Some minor details can be changed as we did with ADnD. Character builder makes it harder to customize... but hey, we have a character builder, and a good one to be honest.
Does a wizard feel like a wizard of old? No, but a 3rd edition wizard also didn´t feel like an ADnD wizard... they just looked very similar... You could even have the same spells, but throwing a fireball in ADnD and in D&D or shooting magic missiles had a very different feeling.
A bard in ADnD (sorry for that) looked way better in 3rd edition, but was very bad compared to a bard of 2nd edition, because of equal level progression and the relative uselessness of lower level attack spells. In ADnD a first level spell could be as devastating as a 9th level spell... chromatic orb e.g.
so 3rd edition and 2nd edition had a different feel to it. I was much better in using 3rd edition as DM as i ever could handle 2nd edition because of unified mechanics and better measurement of combat capabilities of PCs and a very easy* to use CR system which easily allowed guessing how much a balanced party can take.
* the CR system worked very well with a single monster or many monsters... i don´t know why so many people didn´t get a grip how it should work.
Hunter In Darkness
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In my experience it's not as universally friendly as it used to be. And that is sad.
Actually yeah, it is. Says so right on the cover and by the only people allowed to make that claim.
As far as the opinion parts of the post, meh. Everyone has likes and dislikes.
The game isn't perfect, but on the other hand you give a positive review of Munchin which means I, personally, am going to take your conclusions on a game with a huge grain of salt. It's not like my 4e books disappear because some people don't like it.
I agree. So how can we make it friendlier?
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