George Lucas...WTF?

The reason is that, unless Lucasfilms (or any of its subsidiaries) actually owns any part of the laser manufacturer or is making any money from their manufacture (including working or cosmetic parts), the odds of anyone tracing liability to them is extremely slim.

So...I'm curious then. What would happen if as a result of this, the laser company had to pay royalties to Lucasmfilms. And then a bunch of people got injured from the device and sued? :)

I don't know...seems to me if liability were the concern, they'd do absolutely nothing to lend credence to the idea that the laser and Lucasfilms are related to one another, like they are right now.
 

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So...I'm curious then. What would happen if as a result of this, the laser company had to pay royalties to Lucasmfilms. And then a bunch of people got injured from the device and sued? :)

I don't know...seems to me if liability were the concern, they'd do absolutely nothing to lend credence to the idea that the laser and Lucasfilms are related to one another, like they are right now.

First of all, since there would only be a judgement and not a contract, Lucasfilms would still be in the clear.

In addition, what they're asking for is a C&D- a Cease and Desist. If Lucasfilms wins, the laser maker may have to pay some damages in the form of royalties for any units they've sold...AND they'll be forced to issue a recall AND stop making their product look like lightsabers.

With that judgement in hand, anyone seeking damages from Lucasfilms will be stopped at the laser manufacturer's door. The lack of a contract, the recall & design change would prevent anyone going any further.

However, if Lucasfilms inexplicably did a flip-flop post judgement and just used it as a way to force the laser manufacturer to have a license to continue making lightsaber-esque lasers (instead of complying with a C&D), they WOULD open themselves up to liability.
 

I think part of the problem in my comprehension of this is that while the company itself never referred to their product as a lightsaber, the C&D letter quotes numerous bloggers and tech websites who refer to it as a lightsaber. I understand the need to protect IP even under what seems like silly circumstances to a third party observer, but how can a company making a laser device protect itself from what reviewers call it?

Its all about protecting your brand.

Originally, asprin, xerox, kleenex and other words were actually particular brands- a couple still are- and the world in general started using them as generic words for the underlying product.

And by virtue of non-enforcement, they became generic terms for those products.

As for this particular product, the answer is: don't make your product look like someone else's design.

Again, this is what happened with the "Gibson Lawsuit guitars." The makers were not prevented from making guitars, they were just prevented from making their guitars look too much like certain iconic and highly valuable Gibson guitars. The same kind of thing happened with Fender and other major guitar makers, with varying degrees of success. The courts have basically said that there are certain features that you cannot help but have when making a guitar of a particular type- the form follows the function- but if the design is too close, you'll get dinged.

And its a VERY fine line. You look at a Fender Stratocaster next to a G&L Tribute Legacy, Fernandes Retrorocket, an Agile Traveler (and many others besides) and you'll see that the differences can be very subtle.
 

I think the fact that other people call it a lightsaber is just used as proof that it looks close enough to a lightsaber to be violating the copyright.

The fact that they're calling it a lightsaber isn't bad... it's just evidence to back up their side of the argument.

The company can protect itself from this by... um... not making it look like a lightsaber. :)

Um... I didn't save the link at the time, but I found this company some time ago by an article that called this product lightsaber as well (was it Cracked?). But it wasn't called that in a sense that it looks like one, but rather "omghandheldcombatlaser".
 

Originally, asprin, xerox, kleenex and other words were actually particular brands- a couple still are- and the world in general started using them as generic words for the underlying product.

And by virtue of non-enforcement, they became generic terms for those products.
Sorry to go off track like this, but this reminds me of what happened to the older brother of one of my friends. He was interviewing for an engineering position at Kodak in the division that made photocopiers and scanners. He found he was in a panel interview and did not have enough copies of his resume for everyone in the room so he politely asked if they had a xerox machine. The looks he received from that question told him that he had not endeared himself to the panel and would probably not get the job.
 

I know someone who was fired for drinking Diet Coke on the rocks at a dinner.

It was a dinner of Pepsi executives. One of the higher-ups was giving a speech when that guy's drink arrived, and he knew from across the length of the table that it wasn't a company drink, so mid-speech said "Drizzt*, you're fired!" and kept going.

*Not his real name.
 

Its all about protecting your brand.

Originally, asprin, xerox, kleenex and other words were actually particular brands- a couple still are- and the world in general started using them as generic words for the underlying product.

And by virtue of non-enforcement, they became generic terms for those products.

Except you're now talking about trademark, not copyright. Trademarks must be enforced in order to remain valid. Copyrights do not require this effort.

It seems that you're similarly confusing copyright and trademark in your earlier response to me about things being iconic as well. There are very significant differences between these two forms in intellectual property protection.
 

This is my field of legal specialty, I'm not making mistakes.

Depending upon what kind of thing you're talking about, it may include elements that are copyrighted, trademarked, service marked, design patented, or regular patents. They're not mutually exclusive.

For example, a Lucasfilm lightsaber could include a copyright for the term as being part of the Star Wars universe, a trademark in the word "lightsaber", a design patent on the physical lightsaber's visual aesthetics, and regular engineering patents if it actually included some kind of new tech (especially if it actually worked like it does in the movies).

In the context of that particular response, I was indeed responding to Lucasfilm's desire to protect their trademark in the term "lightsaber." However, you don't necessarily need to bring a seperate case to defend the trademark if you're already going after a copyright lawsuit- all those other elements can be brought in later. You can even bring them in serial- assuming you keep your eyes on the various statutes of limitations- and tie up your opponent in court for years, draining their funds.

In a sense, the C&D letter & copyright lawsuit filing is just a warning shot. They don't want anyone using that term for any reason.

If nothing else, the very existence of the letter & suit puts EVERYONE on notice that Lucasfilm is in a mood to protect its IP.

And the thing is, they may be suing in copyright instead of trademark for legal reasons. For instance, they may not have registered "lightsaber" as a trademark, or it may have expired without renewal- it duration is in 10 or 20 year intervals (depending upon when the trademark was initially granted).

Contrast that with the duration of copyrights, already mentioned previously in this thread.

It seems that you're similarly confusing copyright and trademark in your earlier response to me about things being iconic as well. There are very significant differences between these two forms in intellectual property protection.

Nope.

Again, this is my specialty. Given that I work primarily with recorded music, I have to keep track of the standards the courts apply in copyright infringement cases.

Look at any of the notable cases out there, Rolling Stones v. The Verve; Queen & David Bowie v. Vanilla Ice; Satriani v Coldplay; Ray Parker, Jr. v. Huey Lewis & the News- in each case, the court compares the alleged original work to the alleged infringer. The artist claiming to be the originator can only win if what they're basing their claim upon is clearly identifiable as the work the alleged infringer copied.

So, again, if your Crappy Horse was largely indistinguishable from Winston Churchill's Naff Horse and Da Vinci's Cavallo Ubriaco, you're not going to prevail against someone else's Lousy Horse...unless it is clear that Lousy Horse is essentially an exact copy of Crappy Horse.*

* And also not part of some kind of protected harbor, like parody or fair use.
 
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Good to know that it's your specialty, that's certainly helpful. Nevertheless, I don't think you made it clear that copyrights do not require defending the way trademarks do.
 

They don't require defending to retain, no.

They do require defending if you wish to:

  1. Get paid for the value of your work
  2. Avoid people devaluing your work by using it to produce derivative products of inferior quality (see the Gone with the Wind lawsuit)
  3. Consumer backlash on your work due to inferior quality of infringing products

And so forth.

There is also the possibility of Orphan Works (essentially abandonment of copyright) legislation passing. Right now, you don't lose any of your rights by non-enforcement, even if you don't respond to requests from those seeking to pay you royalties. However, there is real debate about having copyright lapsing if the copyright's holder cannot be reached for routine operations of the law.

The more copyright holders who don't "tend their fields", the more likely it is that such legislation will pass.
 
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