When someone on your ignore list misrepresents you

[Umbran]

Bad call I would say on that.
What's to stop someone from Ignoring Mod's and blocking their view in this fashion?

If I recall correctly, you can't put mods on your ignore list even now.

Now if you let him hide his posts from individual people he has chosen to ignore, who have just given him power to censor forum material freely available to all users from another individual.

It sounds bad stated that way, but it isn't like he can sensor any old material from arbitrary folks. He only gets to censor his own words, when he first says them, and only from people who he's not able to see himself. So, unless you're Crothian, it is a very small chunk of content, in a very specific situation, from a small group of people.

Using Bullgrit again to make examples.
Bullgrit has me on Ignore.
1. I can read his threads he starts but can not reply to them.
2. I can read his replies to threads but can not quote them.

Would that be a possible option Morrus?

I think (1) is far more powerful than the censoring above. If I start a thread, you can see it, but not participate at all? That's not just controlling whether you can see a few paragraphs to text now and then, that's controlling who gets to speak where. We have never supported that sort of thread ownership in the past, and are unlikely to start doing so now.

(2) only means the "quote" button wouldn't work. But if you just post a reply, use quote tags, and copy-paste, you get the same effect. I'm not sure that weak protection would be worth the code needed to implement it.

 

[TheYeti1775]

Software.



Yep. The internet - including EN World - is full of permissions. You can't view my Facebook profile if I don't want you to. You can't access certain EN World features without paying for them. We can stop you posting at any time; we can prevent you viewing anything we wish. You can't read New York Times articles without paying for them. You can't view my blog if I decide I don't want you to. This is all in line with perfectly normal internet privacy controls.

jaerdaph's argument that it might foster ill-will is something I can see (I'm not convinced he's right, simply because I don't think anybody would notice - and we can put some really strict rules in place anyway), but "censorship is bad" as an argument against privacy controls isn't something I can agree with. On the internet, privacy controls are good.

Morrus you missed the point of the post. You will be allowing an individual user of EnWorld to dictate what other users of EnWorld see. A forum isn't someone's Facebook private Facebook or Blog page.
Yes I'm quite aware there are forums on here I can not see due to the fact I pay you no money. That doesn't bother me in the least. That is my own descsion to be made.
But if your Ignore of me prevents me from seeing a post on the General Disscussion area that is publically viewable even to non-logged on users it becomes a different animal. I hope you see where I'm coming from on this.

Even if it were possible, this can only work if you assume you're replying and quoting using the buttons the board expects. You could still reply to something Bullgrit says by clicking "Quick Reply" to the bottom post in a thread (which is what I normally do) or use standard quote tags and the C+P.

I'm not a fan of the idea that ignores could be made mutual, but I don't think it would break the boards, either.

The Quick Reply and Quote could be disabled on the posts to the ignored.
Sure you can't get around a Cut & Paste and type it out. But if they are going through that much trouble, I'm sure someone would notice the extra ordainary effort of cyber stalking and report it themselves.






Now if the software prevents this I don't think you should go forward with the "Hide your Posts" method.

 

[Morrus]

Morrus you missed the point of the post. You will be allowing an individual user of EnWorld to dictate what other users of EnWorld see. A forum isn't someone's Facebook private Facebook or Blog page.
Yes I'm quite aware there are forums on here I can not see due to the fact I pay you no money. That doesn't bother me in the least. That is my own descsion to be made.
But if your Ignore of me prevents me from seeing a post on the General Disscussion area that is publically viewable even to non-logged on users it becomes a different animal. I hope you see where I'm coming from on this.

I understand the point. I disagree with the point. There's a difference.

I support the idea of privacy controls which allow me to prevent certain people viewing my content on the web - whether that's a blog, a messageboard post, a picture of me drunk at a party that I don't want my boss to see, personal information that I don't want my exes to see, or - in this case - things I've written which I don't want people who harass me online to see.

 

[Bullgrit]

things I've written which I don't want people who harass me online to see.

This.

You will be allowing an individual user of EnWorld to dictate what other users of EnWorld see.

I can send Morrus a message that you cannot see. I can send a message to anyone on this site that you cannot see. I can send you a message that no one else can see.

Bullgrit

 

[jaerdaph]

I can send Morrus a message that you cannot see. I can send a message to anyone on this site that you cannot see. I can send you a message that no one else can see.

And what is that called? Private Messaging...

At the end of the day though, Morrus has to do what he feels is best for the site.

 

[jaerdaph]

I support the idea of privacy controls which allow me to prevent certain people viewing my content on the web - whether that's a blog, a messageboard post, a picture of me drunk at a party that I don't want my boss to see, personal information that I don't want my exes to see, or - in this case - things I've written which I don't want people who harass me online to see.

As do I, but ultimately, ANYTHING you post online can come back to bite you in the butt. You can't rely on anything being 100% secure or protected online. As I said earlier, all I would have to do is log out and see what somebody that put me on ignore posted on this public forum.

 

[Theo R Cwithin]

It's privacy only in the sense that I don't talk to my ex when we end up at the same party, so as to avoid making a scene. When she can't hear me and I can't hear her, we're much less likely to get into a shouting match, and we're both more likely to enjoy the party-- as are all the other guests.

If she really wants to hear my brilliant oratory, she can talk to others to learn what I said, or she can crouch behind the ficus and eavesdrop, or she can leave and come back cleverly disguised as Chewbacca and talk to me directly. But to go to all that trouble takes a lot of effort that normal people just won't bother with. And to go to all that trouble only to then pick the very fight I was trying to avoid in the first place is psycho, and she'll most likely get kicked out of the party.

That's not really "censorship". It's just etiquette encouragement for the thick of skull.

 

[Bullgrit]

It's privacy only in the sense that I don't talk to my ex when we end up at the same party, so as to avoid making a scene. When she can't hear me and I can't hear her, we're much less likely to get into a shouting match, and we're both more likely to enjoy the party-- as are all the other guests.

If she really wants to hear my brilliant oratory, she can talk to others to learn what I said, or she can crouch behind the ficus and eavesdrop, or she can leave and come back cleverly disguised as Chewbacca and talk to me directly. But to go to all that trouble takes a lot of effort that normal people just won't bother with. And to go to all that trouble only to then pick the very fight I was trying to avoid in the first place is psycho, and she'll most likely get kicked out of the party.

That's not really "censorship". It's just etiquette encouragement for the thick of skull.

Brilliant point, and humorously presented. Sadly, I've given you xp for something else recently.

Bullgrit

 

[Morrus]

As do I, but ultimately, ANYTHING you post online can come back to bite you in the butt. You can't rely on anything being 100% secure or protected online.

I don't think anybody imagines for a second that you could.

 

[Thornir Alekeg]

A couple of questions on the mutual ignore feature (accepting that it is forthcoming and may change):

If you request to be ignored by a user, how will any quotes of your posts by other users be seen by the person on your ignore list? Will the quote appear? Will the reply appear with the quote blocked? Will the entire quote and reply not appear? How this is handled will be the main factor in somebody knowing that you have requested your posts to not be viewable by them.

Can somebody you put on ignore PM you? In all honesty, if I discovered that somebody had put me on ignore, unless it is with a user I had obvious animosity issues, I would like to understand why they chose to put me on ignore and see if there is something I could change to make things better.