Special Conversion Thread: Moldvay's Undead

[Cleon]

Those leftist bastards!

If we want to make it cumulative, we can reduce the penalty to -1 Str, -1 Con, and -1 Dex, to a maximum of -5, which would follow the aging chart more closely (rather than jumping straight to venerable). Sound appealing?

Thoughts on the "greater demon fever" described upthread?

That seems rather feeble. A bestow curse can inflict a -6 on one stat or a -4 on attacks, saves and checks and these things are messengers of Orcus.

I'd rather it do a penalty and some ability damage or ability drain. This think should be nasty.

 

[Cleon]

I'll agree not to reduce speed/allow them to run and charge for the same reasons as Shade.

Hmm. I kind of like the cumulative idea, but I can see the reason not to do that.

Ah, good old Latin. Note how left-handed people are "sinister." My wife, who's a lefty, really hates that. There's also a theory (that's discredited but sadly still hanging around the medical establishment) that left-handedness is caused by brain damage. If you ever see a neurologist, one of the first things they'll ask is if you're left-handed.

That's a new one to me, and I'm a sinister individual - in several senses of the word...

 

[Shade]

That seems rather feeble. A bestow curse can inflict a -6 on one stat or a -4 on attacks, saves and checks and these things are messengers of Orcus.

I'd rather it do a penalty and some ability damage or ability drain. This think should be nasty.

Keep in mind that it also ages and rusts, and all that with each set of strikes!

 

[Cleon]

Keep in mind that it also ages and rusts, and all that with each set of strikes!

A mere -1 still doesn't seem enough.

 

[Shade]

A mere -1 still doesn't seem enough.

In that case, return to jumping straight to the max penalty, and not making it cumulative?

I'd rather not add ability damage/drain, since 1.) it already penalizes abilities, and 2.) the disease does that.

 

[Cleon]

In that case, return to jumping straight to the max penalty, and not making it cumulative?

I'd rather not add ability damage/drain, since 1.) it already penalizes abilities, and 2.) the disease does that.

I just like the idea of it aging victims to death. Is that so much to ask?

 

[Shade]

I just like the idea of it aging victims to death. Is that so much to ask?

If it didn't already have the energy-draining gaze, I might feel the same way. As it stands, those mere mortals will be dead and bodakified in no time.

 

[Cleon]

If it didn't already have the energy-draining gaze, I might feel the same way. As it stands, those mere mortals will be dead and bodakified in no time.

I didn't get where I am today by letting mortals off easy.

Ah well, I can accept the -5 max if necessary.

So shall we move on?

 

[Shade]

Sure. Once again...

Updated.

What about this?

Non-magical armor, upon receiving a second hit with the right hoof, will disintegrate in a shower of rust Magical armor must save versus disintegration each time it is hit: If the save is made, nothing happens to the armor; if not made, the armor loses + 1 permanently. When all bonuses are gone, the magical armor is treated as non-magical armor.

Rust (Su): If Dispater succeeds on a touch, his touch causes the target metal to corrode, falling to pieces and becoming useless immediately. His touch can destroy a 10-foot-cube of metal instantly. Magic armor, weapons, and other magic items made of metal must succeed on a DC 36 Reflex save or be dissolved. The save DC is Constitution-based.

A metal weapon that deals damage to Dispater corrodes immediately unless its bearer succeeds on a DC 36 Reflex save. Wooden, stone, and other nonmetallic weapons are unaffected. Dispater can suppress or resume his rusting touch ability as a free action. The save DC is Constitution-based.

 

[Cleon]

Sure. Once again...

Updated.

What about this?

We could combine the rusting and aging into one "touch of decrepitude" SA - first failed save turns the creature old, second failure affects their gear?