Graveborn - What are they?

[Theroc]

Not so unknown. Early PDFs of the rulebooks made it into various illegal distribution channels. If you can't control what happens with the material after you release it, then you can't release it and expect to profit from it. They didn't.

If you're using and paying for DDI then you're essentially getting what was promised, AND they're still making money from it. I use DDI too but I still prefer to have real books, however flawed.

Pretty sure there are 'late' PDF's of the rulebooks in various illegal distribution channels too... even after they stopped. I'm guessing they are hoping people will pay for DDI for errata, then?

 

[TarionzCousin]

Graveborn are merely innocent humanoids whose mothers happened to fall into open graves just as their final birth contractions were beginning. It happens all the time.

 

[The Little Raven]

Can you provide more info on the actual quote, like a page number and location?

I suspect it might have been an alternate term for shadowborn, which are natural mortals who are born/live in the Shadowfell.

 

[Ninja-to]

Can you provide more info on the actual quote, like a page number and location?

I suspect it might have been an alternate term for shadowborn, which are natural mortals who are born/live in the Shadowfell.

Page 22 about 2/3 of the way down the first column.

"The Shadar-Kai's tolerance of unlife applies only to graveborn that do not openly revere Orcus..."

 

[CelticMutt]

I doubt they refer to Revenents. Revenents have a connection to the Raven Queen by default, Orcus' rival. I doubt that WotC would have originally planned for them to be servitors of an evil god instead.

 

[Ninja-to]

The point of the first paragraph is that constructs that have souls in them - for example the method that is arguably used to create Warforged in Eberron - may become undead (there are indeed creatures in 4E with both the undead and undead keywords). The second establishes that soulless creatures cannot become undead and gives the example of constructs, which are generally creatures without a soul. They are not in any way a major error in editing or similar. I'm confused as to what you're getting at here.

As for Graveborn I have no idea what they are. But I would just use them however I felt like. It's not a major thing to mention something and not stat it. Otherwise he'd have a major problem talking about Gods in 4E.

Mainly this:

Page 7, 3rd paragraph "(This phenomenon is what makes it possible for creatures that were never alive, such as constructs, to become undead)"

Page 9, 3rd paragraph "All undead were once living beings, in that they had a soul. Soulless constructs do not and cannot become undead."

They seem contradictory. "Creatures that were never alive such as constructs..." can become undead. Soulless constructs cannot become undead. So, *some* constructs can become undead, as long as they had a soul? What about the constructs like those golems made of different body parts or other abominations made up of skin/flesh etc.

The description just seems confusing. It feels like only half the explanation is provided.

 

[Jhaelen]

I started reading Open Grave and noticed a quote in there that made a reference to graveborn, saying that Shadar-Kai sometimes will deal with them (as opposed to killing them outright).

What are graveborn? Can't seem to find them anywhere.

I assume it's just a fancy term for 'undead'.

 

[malcolm_n]

I doubt they refer to Revenents. Revenents have a connection to the Raven Queen by default, Orcus' rival. I doubt that WotC would have originally planned for them to be servitors of an evil god instead.

...to graveborn that do NOT openly revere Orcus.."

As to that, I'm also of the opinion that it's an early name for revenants.