So, I gotta make a lvl 15 Christmas elf

[cobrazarro]

We have a holiday campaign coming up where we have to save christmas. We are rolling lvl 15 elves for the campaign. I've never made an elf before and decided to go rogue. I made a drow and an elf version and was hoping to get some advice on how the builds look.

Here's Candy Cane:


====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&D Character Builder ======
Candy Cane, level 15
Elf, Rogue, Thuranni Shadow Killer
Rogue Tactics: Brutal Scoundrel
Rogue: Rogue Weapon Talent
Background: Auspicious Birth (Auspicious Birth Benefit)

FINAL ABILITY SCORES
Str 20, Con 11, Dex 23, Int 11, Wis 11, Cha 12.

STARTING ABILITY SCORES
Str 16, Con 10, Dex 17, Int 8, Wis 10, Cha 11.


AC: 25 Fort: 22 Reflex: 25 Will: 18
HP: 105 Surges: 6 Surge Value: 26

TRAINED SKILLS
Stealth +18, Thievery +18, Bluff +13, Perception +14, Acrobatics +18, Intimidate +13, Athletics +17

UNTRAINED SKILLS
Arcana +7, Diplomacy +8, Dungeoneering +7, Endurance +7, Heal +7, History +7, Insight +7, Nature +9, Religion +7, Streetwise +8

FEATS
Level 1: Weapon Proficiency (Rapier)
Level 2: Backstabber
Level 4: Mark of Shadow
Level 6: Flash of the Blade
Level 8: Two-Blade Warrior
Level 10: Weapon Expertise (Light Blade)
Level 11: Deft Blade
Level 12: Defensive Advantage
Level 14: Weapon Focus (Light Blade)

POWERS
Rogue at-will 1: Riposte Strike
Rogue at-will 1: Piercing Strike
Rogue encounter 1: Dazing Strike
Rogue daily 1: Blinding Barrage
Rogue utility 2: Tumble
Rogue encounter 3: Low Slash
Rogue daily 5: Bloodbath
Rogue utility 6: Swift Parry
Rogue encounter 7: Imperiling Strike
Rogue daily 9: Knockout
Rogue utility 10: Executioner's Mien
Rogue encounter 13: Stunning Strike (replaces Dazing Strike)
Rogue daily 15: Bloody Path (replaces Blinding Barrage)

ITEMS
Rapier (2), Leather Armor


Here's Peppermint:


====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&D Character Builder ======
Peppermint, level 15
Drow, Rogue, Dread Fang
Rogue Tactics: Brutal Scoundrel
Rogue: Rogue Weapon Talent
Darkfire: Darkfire Charisma
Background: Auspicious Birth (Auspicious Birth Benefit)

FINAL ABILITY SCORES
Str 20, Con 11, Dex 23, Int 9, Wis 11, Cha 14.

STARTING ABILITY SCORES
Str 16, Con 10, Dex 17, Int 8, Wis 10, Cha 11.


AC: 25 Fort: 22 Reflex: 25 Will: 19
HP: 105 Surges: 6 Surge Value: 26

TRAINED SKILLS
Stealth +20, Thievery +18, Bluff +14, Perception +12, Acrobatics +18, Intimidate +16, Athletics +17

UNTRAINED SKILLS
Arcana +6, Diplomacy +9, Dungeoneering +7, Endurance +7, Heal +7, History +6, Insight +7, Nature +7, Religion +6, Streetwise +9

FEATS
Level 1: Weapon Proficiency (Rapier)
Level 2: Backstabber
Level 4: Weapon Focus (Light Blade)
Level 6: Flash of the Blade
Level 8: Two-Blade Warrior
Level 10: Weapon Expertise (Light Blade)
Level 11: Deft Blade
Level 12: Merciless Killer
Level 14: Defensive Advantage

POWERS
Rogue at-will 1: Riposte Strike
Rogue at-will 1: Piercing Strike
Rogue encounter 1: Dazing Strike
Rogue daily 1: Blinding Barrage
Rogue utility 2: Tumble
Rogue encounter 3: Low Slash
Rogue daily 5: Bloodbath
Rogue utility 6: Swift Parry
Rogue encounter 7: Imperiling Strike
Rogue daily 9: Knockout
Rogue utility 10: Executioner's Mien
Rogue encounter 13: Stunning Strike (replaces Dazing Strike)
Rogue daily 15: Bloody Path (replaces Blinding Barrage)

ITEMS
Rapier (2), Leather Armor


Which one looks best? Also, would I be better off using a different weapon, like daggers or a spiked chain?

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Just an observation: wouldn't Santa's "elves" be more like gnomes or halflings than D&D elves?

 

[cobrazarro]

Just an observation: wouldn't Santa's "elves" be more like gnomes or halflings than D&D elves?

watcha talkin bout willis? Elves are called elves for a reason. You ever hear of Santa's halflings? You ever hear of Santa's gnomes? NOPE. Gnomes are WAY too small to do anything worthwhile. Halflings? Seriously man, this is serious talk here.

 

[Wik]

Honestly, a drow artful dodger rogue or a drow thief will always beat an elven rogue of any variety. I say this because the drow rogue in our campaign is a DAMAGE DEALING MACHINE.

At around level 17 right now, our Drow Artful Dodger Daggermaster can continually drop damage on monsters. She will use racial powers to get CA, and she gets a crit roughly every third round (what with the fact that she has numerous attacks on minor actions, has a few encounter powers that trigger multiple attack rolls, and has a dagger master power that lets her crit on an 18, 19, or 20).

I can't remember exact numbers, but her crits seem to be in the 60 or 70+ points of damage field.

Mind you, our halfling rogue does a fair amount of damage as well, but the halfling is far less of a striker and more of a skirmisher. In terms of pure striker ability, the drow rogue wins.

 

[cobrazarro]

Does this look better than the rogues?

Candy Cane, level 15
Drow, Ranger, Shock Trooper
Fighting Style: Two-Blade Fighting Style
Ranger: Prime Shot
Darkfire: Darkfire Wisdom
Background: Auspicious Birth (Auspicious Birth Benefit)

FINAL ABILITY SCORES
Str 20, Con 12, Dex 23, Int 11, Wis 11, Cha 11.

STARTING ABILITY SCORES
Str 16, Con 11, Dex 17, Int 10, Wis 10, Cha 8.

AC: 29 Fort: 27 Reflex: 27 Will: 20
HP: 115 Surges: 7 Surge Value: 28

TRAINED SKILLS
Dungeoneering +12, Acrobatics +17, Athletics +16, Perception +12, Stealth +19, Intimidate +14

UNTRAINED SKILLS
Arcana +7, Bluff +7, Diplomacy +7, Endurance +7, Heal +7, History +7, Insight +7, Nature +7, Religion +7, Streetwise +7, Thievery +12

FEATS
Level 1: Xen'drik Weapon Training
Level 2: Lethal Hunter
Level 4: Weapon Expertise (Heavy Blade)
Level 6: Weapon Focus (Heavy Blade)
Level 8: Cyclone Warrior
Level 10: Two-Weapon Fighting
Level 11: Novice Power
Level 12: Two-Weapon Opening
Level 14: Two-Weapon Defense

POWERS
Ranger at-will 1: Twin Strike
Ranger at-will 1: Nimble Strike
Ranger encounter 1: Off-Hand Strike
Ranger daily 1: Skirmishing Stance
Ranger utility 2: Invigorating Stride
Ranger encounter 3: Disruptive Strike (retrained to Rain of Blows at Novice Power)
Ranger daily 5: Snarling Wolf Stance
Ranger utility 6: Guided Shot
Ranger encounter 7: Biting Volley
Ranger daily 9: Attacks on the Run
Ranger utility 10: Resume the Hunt
Ranger encounter 13: Off-Hand Diversion (replaces Off-Hand Strike)
Ranger daily 15: Blade Cascade (replaces Skirmishing Stance)

ITEMS
Adventurer's Kit, Medallion of Death Deferred +3, Barkskin Earthhide Armor +3, Deep Wounding Drow Long Knife +3, Learning Drow Long Knife +3

It has +20 to attack melee and +21 to attack ranged on the powers with d8+12 damage. Does this look pretty good?

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

C'mon...a Drow in a Christmas themed campaign HAS to be named...Coal N. Stalking.

 

[Kilanith]

I figured you should be some sort of Artificer, for y'know toy making ability.

 

[cobrazarro]

Now that I think about it, the drow ranger doesn't make much sense unless i have a whole bag of sweet +3 drow long blades to throw at people... would it make sense to rock the boomerang in the main hand and the long knife in the other or... should I just pick a different weapon?

 

[cobrazarro]

woah woah.... if i throw magical weapons at things they come back to me?????? Where is that in the player handbook? I want to rub my jerk dm's face all in that when he challenges me having the knifes once again!

 

[UnknownAtThisTime]

woah woah.... if i throw magical weapons at things they come back to me?????? Where is that in the player handbook? I want to rub my jerk dm's face all in that when he challenges me having the knifes once again!

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Any magic light thrown or heavy thrown weapon, from the lowly +1 shuriken to a +6 perfect hunter’s spear, automatically returns to its wielder’s hand after a ranged attack with the weapon is resolved.​

Page 232.

And for what it is worth, I never liked the rule but it is clear as day.