D&D 4E [4E Players, mainly] Ever thought of defecting to Pathfinder?

[The Little Raven]

I'm very disappointed to see the class compendium cancelled. That was something I was really excited for, more essentialsish style takes on PHB classes, clarifications on some things never fully explained between essentials/core. I realize I'm apparently weird for liking books but gosh darnit I want it in printed and bound!

To be clear, the classes that were going to be in the Class Compendium were not Essentials-style classes ala Slayer and Knight. They were going to be the PHB1 classes with errata incorporated, but presented in the same layout as the Essentials classes. The Weaponmaster Fighter = the PHB1 Fighter.

 

[thewok]

To be clear, the classes that were going to be in the Class Compendium were not Essentials-style classes ala Slayer and Knight. They were going to be the PHB1 classes with errata incorporated, but presented in the same layout as the Essentials classes. The Weaponmaster Fighter = the PHB1 Fighter.

True. I was hoping, though, that the warlord would get a true Essentials-style build, though. I wanted to see what they could do with it in the Essentials martial style.

 

[AbdulAlhazred]

True. I was hoping, though, that the warlord would get a true Essentials-style build, though. I wanted to see what they could do with it in the Essentials martial style.

I think an Essentials style warlord would actually work pretty well. Warlords have some awesome daily powers, but just being able to steadily contribute by buffing and debuffing and some attack granting and a bit of shifting creatures around, plus maybe some interesting healing mechanics would be fine for a tactical commander type character. It would take a BUNCH of builds though to cover all the ground that the existing warlord does. It would be interesting, OTOH it really isn't necessary.

I honestly don't think we'll see any more new Essentials classes. They covered the core stuff in a way that provides a solid entry to the game, that's what they were for. We will doubtless see any number of additional builds for certain classes, but pumping out more books full of Essentials stuff would defeat the purpose.

 

[Nemesis Destiny]

I think an Essentials style warlord would actually work pretty well. Warlords have some awesome daily powers, but just being able to steadily contribute by buffing and debuffing and some attack granting and a bit of shifting creatures around, plus maybe some interesting healing mechanics would be fine for a tactical commander type character. It would take a BUNCH of builds though to cover all the ground that the existing warlord does. It would be interesting, OTOH it really isn't necessary.

I honestly don't think we'll see any more new Essentials classes. They covered the core stuff in a way that provides a solid entry to the game, that's what they were for. We will doubtless see any number of additional builds for certain classes, but pumping out more books full of Essentials stuff would defeat the purpose.

If we did see an Essential Warlord, I would like to see it make use of buffing/debuffing Auras. Something along the lines of a Paladin in Diablo 2.

And maybe have an option for a Charisma or Intelligence-based build, rather than just Strength.

 

[TarionzCousin]

After 3.5E I wanted something simpler, not more complex.

4E was too much of a departure for me--although I am playing it and enjoying it--but I was really hoping that it would be more similar to Star Wars Saga Edition.

Pathfinder might not actually be more complex than 3.5E, but it isn't significantly simpler either.

 

[AbdulAlhazred]

If we did see an Essential Warlord, I would like to see it make use of buffing/debuffing Auras. Something along the lines of a Paladin in Diablo 2.

And maybe have an option for a Charisma or Intelligence-based build, rather than just Strength.

Sure, I would think you'd want 2 builds. Actually I don't really know why STR primary would ever come up with a warlord. CHA and INT would seem to me to be the 2 main types. One that inspires and one that strategizes. STR or DEX would certainly be a good secondary potentially for either one, but WIS would work as well (and makes sense as a primary too). I mean basically there's nothing wrong with the existing warlord builds, they could be pretty easily Essentialized as-is. Take a couple of really signature powers for each one and make them class features, turn the AP mechanic for each into something a bit simpler perhaps, like a couple stances, and you really should be 90% of the way there.

 

[KAYMANKLYNMAN]

i AGREE WITH THE FACT THAT FOR DM PF NEED MORE WORK, BUT IN THE OTHER HAND , MORE WORK MEANS ALSO MORE DIVERSITY IN CREATING THE ENCOUNTERS.

SORRY FOR THE POOR ENGLISH I AM FROM BRASIL.

 

[Neonchameleon]

i AGREE WITH THE FACT THAT FOR DM PF NEED MORE WORK, BUT IN THE OTHER HAND , MORE WORK MEANS ALSO MORE DIVERSITY IN CREATING THE ENCOUNTERS.

SORRY FOR THE POOR ENGLISH I AM FROM BRASIL.

1: If you can't create very diverse encounters in 4e you aren't trying. By 4e standards the effort needed to create diverse encounters in 3e is simply make-work.
2: Never mind the quality of your English. Could you please take off Capslock. It makes whatever you write hard to read and looks like shouting.

 

[KAYMANKLYNMAN]

Yes you are rigth , maybe it is just the atmosphere of simplicity that i feel whem handling encounters in 4ed.
Sorry for the capslock.

 

[Dausuul]

I should think the easiest way to Essentialize the warlord would be to make a "marshal" fighter build. Just like slayers get stances that allow them to hit harder, and knights get stances that allow them to slow and hinder enemies, marshals would get stances that allow them to strengthen and support allies. Then give them some Inspiring Word-type powers, some tactically-oriented utilities, and you're good.