Special Conversion Thread: Lycanthropes and their ilk

[Cleon]

I can endorse adding Multiattack, but why do we need Iron Will if it already has good saves from the dire animal?

CR should probably be higher. CR +1 at all base animal HD levels?

I'd leave it in because a regular lycanthrope version of a dire animal gets Iron Will as a bonus feat. If we cut it the "Double Dire" version would have worse Will saves than an ordinary lycanthrope dire animal.

I'm reluctant to give a flat +1 CR since it's not that much nastier. Maybe narrow the HD ranges so it gains the adjustment faster?

 

[freyar]

Ok, then leave Iron Will.

I could agree to shrinking the ranges in the CR table, too.

 

[Cleon]

Ok, then leave Iron Will.

I could agree to shrinking the ranges in the CR table, too.

Let's see, a Standard Lycanthrope has:

1 HD or 2 HD, +2; 3 HD to 5 HD, +3; 6 HD to 10 HD, +4; 11 HD to 20 HD, +5; 21 or more HD, +6.

Maybe give it a cumulative -1 HD shift at each stage after the first?

1 HD or 2 HD, +2; 3 HD to 4 HD, +3; 5 HD to 8 HD, +4; 9 HD to 16 HD, +5; 17 or more HD, +6?

Dire Ape CR 3 HD 5 -> CR7
Dire Badger CR 2 HD 3 -> CR5
Dire Bat CR 2 HD 4 -> CR5
Dire Bear CR 7 HD 12 -> CR12
Dire Boar CR 4 HD 7 -> CR8
Dire Lion CR 5 HD 8 -> CR9
Dire Rat CR 1/3 HD 1 -> CR2
Dire Shark CR 9 HD 18 -> CR15
Dire Tiger CR 8 HD 16 -> CR13
Dire Weasel CR 2 HD 3 -> CR5
Dire Wolf CR 3 HD 6 -> CR7
Dire Wolverine CR 4 HD 5 -> CR8
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Hmm, the Ape, Shark and Wolverine seem too high. I think I'd better tweak the second lowest and highest ranges.

How's this?

1 HD or 2 HD, +2; 3 HD to 5 HD, +3; 6 HD to 9 HD, +4; 10 HD to 18 HD, +5; 19 or more HD, +6?

Dire Ape CR 3 HD 5 -> CR6
Dire Badger CR 2 HD 3 -> CR5
Dire Bat CR 2 HD 4 -> CR5
Dire Bear CR 7 HD 12 -> CR12
Dire Boar CR 4 HD 7 -> CR8
Dire Lion CR 5 HD 8 -> CR9
Dire Rat CR 1/3 HD 1 -> CR2
Dire Shark CR 9 HD 18 -> CR14
Dire Tiger CR 8 HD 16 -> CR13
Dire Weasel CR 2 HD 3 -> CR5
Dire Wolf CR 3 HD 6 -> CR7
Dire Wolverine CR 4 HD 5 -> CR7
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That second CR adjustment looks OK to me.

 

[Shade]

The 2nd series looks feasible.

 

[freyar]

Let's go with that, then.

 

[Cleon]

Let's go with that, then.

Agreed!

Anything left to do with the basic model, or are we ready to advance to the "Sabrelord".

 

[Shade]

Agreed!

Anything left to do with the basic model, or are we ready to advance to the "Sabrelord".

I don't think so. Proceed!

 

[Cleon]

I don't think so. Proceed!

First question: race and class.

The SRD Werewolf Lord is a human fighter 10, but I fancy something else.

Ranger 12?

Barbarian 12?

Ranger 7/Shadowdancer 5?

Human? Dwarf? Half-Elf? Half-Orc?

Wood Elf? Orc?

I'm leaning towards Wood Elf ranger 7 shadowdancer 5 but am not set on the idea.

 

[freyar]

I kind of like ranger 12, not so fussed about the race.

 

[Cleon]

I kind of like ranger 12, not so fussed about the race.

That'd be the simplest option. It seems a trifle boring though.