A bit tired of people knocking videogames...

[Diamond Cross]

All righty zen.

"Operation Repo" is semi fake because it's claimed to be based on real stories. I guess it could be called a reenactment, I suppose.

So now i'm not so sure what to make of it.

It makes me wonder how I missed that disclaimer.

Still, considering the criticism of "Bait Car" I am not convinced it is fake like O.R.

Plus there are other shows on TruTV which basically still blows the "people are logical" argument out of the water. These were just two of them.

Thanks for the link.

 

[jmucchiello]

You probably would have been better off with this argument if you hadn't included that last sentence.

The fact that "nice" is in the dictionary makes your whole post meaningless in this discussion. Our whole argument is that "videogamey" isn't a real word, and a lot of people have no idea what you mean when you use it.

OMG. Nice means nothing. The dictionary tells you it is a word with highly subjective meaning. No two people really agree on what nice means.

—Usage note
The semantic history of nice is quite varied, as the etymology and the obsolete senses attest, and any attempt to insist on only one of its present senses as correct will not be in keeping with the facts of actual usage. If any criticism is valid, it might be that the word is used too often and has become a cliché lacking the qualities of precision and intensity that are embodied in many of its synonyms.

Isn't this the same issue you have with videogamey?

Finally, if you think that any of this is "exploding all over" anyone, you should probably reconsider how you view online discussions. Read other people's posts in a calm, measured voice, and you will have something that is often much closer to the post's actual intent.

No, I assume you are raving at your display screen is utter incomprehension as to why we don't get it. It's my opinion and I'm entitled to it.

And the last sentence is there because I cribbed most of those complaints about "nice" from a George Carlin comedy routine about wishy-washy words. English is full of them. "videogamey" is not unique in its lack of precise definition.

 

[Dannager]

OMG. Nice means nothing. The dictionary tells you it is a word with highly subjective meaning. No two people really agree on what nice means.

The difference is that the weak descriptive nature of the word "nice" makes its use relatively meaningless, but not actively confusing.

Isn't this the same issue you have with videogamey?

No. "Videogamey" is an actively confusing term that has a variety of (occasionally) blatantly contradictory meanings depending on to whom you speak.

No, I assume you are raving at your display screen is utter incomprehension as to why we don't get it. It's my opinion and I'm entitled to it.

Your opinion is that I'm raving at my screen?

You do realize that rage comics are funny because they are exaggerations, right? And not something that normal people actually do?

And the last sentence is there because I cribbed most of those complaints about "nice" from a George Carlin comedy routine about wishy-washy words. English is full of them. "videogamey" is not unique in its lack of precise definition.

And so we shouldn't do anything to discourage the propagation of words with meaningless - or worse, confusing - definitions? Really?

 

[Raven Crowking]

Again, IF I am trying to convince you of something, THEN I need to both meet the bar of your skepticism and put it into terms that you understand.

BUT, that "IF" is important. IF you want to convince people not to use the term "videogamey" THEN you need to meet the bar of our skepticism. I am not going to claim that we can't understand what you are saying. Not only textually, but also subtextually.

Because, AFAICT, this thread is not us trying to convince you, it is you trying to convince us. We need meet no bar of skepticism. We need not use terms you understand. We can just carry on doing what we're doing, using whatever terminology we like.

The onus to prove a case is not on us. We need not defend our use of the term. Our ability to use that term is a given.

(And that's a general "we" and a general "us"; I'm not sure I've ever used the term "videogamey" outside the context of this discussion. But, I do know that I understand it when it is used in context.)


RC

 

[Dannager]

The onus to prove a case is not on us. We need not defend our use of the term. Our ability to use that term is a given.

I daresay that we've done more than our ample share of presenting our case. If you haven't seen the merits of our position at this point, it strikes me as unlikely that you would see them at a later point were this discussion to continue.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

"Videogamey" is an actively confusing term that has a variety of (occasionally) blatantly contradictory meanings depending on to whom you speak.

No.

Everyone in this thread who has used the term "videogamey" as a critique or an observation has used the word the same way- that the game element in question reminds them of some kind of video/computer game.

The term may be broad, but it isn't contradictory.

 

[Thunderfoot]

And so we shouldn't do anything to discourage the propagation of words with meaningless - or worse, confusing - definitions? Really?

No, we shouldn't because then we would be speaking another language, you don't like THAT starting speaking another language so we we don't have to hear you prattle about our obvious inferiority.

(And if I get banned for this - it was worth it....)

 

[Dannager]

No.

Everyone in this thread who has used the term "videogamey" as a critique or an observation has used the word the same way- that the game element in question reminds them of some kind of video/computer game.

The term may be broad, but it isn't contradictory.

Dannyalcatraz, the one thing that I can, with absolute certainty, take away from this thread is that when someone uses the word "videogamey" to describe something like 4e, chances are it doesn't actually have anything at all to do with video games.

 

[Dannager]

No, we shouldn't because then we would be speaking another language, you don't like THAT starting speaking another language so we we don't have to hear you prattle about our obvious inferiority.

(And if I get banned for this - it was worth it....)

Quoted for classiness and flawless sentence structure.

 

[ggroy]

And so we shouldn't do anything to discourage the propagation of words with meaningless - or worse, confusing - definitions? Really?

If one wants to make definitions very precise, one can always write it as a set of mathematical equations.