A bit tired of people knocking videogames...

[Diamond Cross]

Except they often aren't. I've been zapped many times by people asking me to clarify by things such as:

"Well, I know you said this, but you must really mean this."

Or just stupid other games as well.

Because usually the people asking for clarification can not understand or simply take another person at their word.

Doing this kind of things makes the other person feel stupid and that breeds resentment, because you are telling them what they "actually mean" according to the others' standards.

In other words, many times it's a set up that is meant to make the other person look stupid for the sake of entertainment.

However, on the other side of the coin, some people just aren't able to clarify what they actually mean for several reasons as well.

And people wanting to have more clarification don't even consider that they simply may not be able to understand another person's point in the first place, no matter how verbose or precise the clarification may be.

Because for some reason, there's a lot of shame in being ignorant. Ignorant is synonymous to retard to most people, and some people just aren't capable of understanding that not knowing a piece of information should not have any shame in it.

 

[jmucchiello]

Is it wrong to believe video games are mindless and inferior to RPGs?

I personally believe so, yes.

Because it's like somebody insulting another person over whether or not they like Star Wars or Babylon 5.

I didn't say insult. I asked if other people were allowed to have an opinion about video games contrary to YOURS. Who are you to say I can't believe something about video games contrary to your belief?

I dislike rap. I find it inferior to jazz and orchestral music. There are individual rap songs I like. But as a whole, they are inferior and sometime mindless. If you like rap songs, that's great for you. That doesn't change the fact that I don't and it is an insult to neither of us in either direction.

Because for some reason, there's a lot of shame in being ignorant. Ignorant is synonymous to retard to most people, and some people just aren't capable of understanding that not knowing a piece of information should not have any shame in it.

And recognizing this in others and letting go when you find you can't do any more is a useful trait as well.... Hmmm. Good luck.

 

[BryonD]

Because it's like somebody insulting another person over whether or not they like Star Wars or Babylon 5.

I think Babylon 5 sucks.

Are you insulted by that?

 

[Diamond Cross]

I think Babylon 5 sucks.

Are you insulted by that?

Actually, no, I am not. I don't really care if you like a show that I like or not.

But let's not go any farther than, all right?

 

[billd91]

Actually, no, I am not. I don't really care if you like a show that I like or not.

But let's not go any farther than, all right?

Are you saying that TV shows are fair game for dislike but other things aren't? If so, why?

 

[MichaelSomething]

In any case, from what I was able to read about the 'Elder Scrolls' games, I disagree with your assertion that the game you cited is an example of "a large premade world where you are free to save the world or just run around having random adventures and doing whatever you feel like, even collecting books." For really 'doing whatever I feel like,' there's simply no match for a human being running the game.

Okay, how about a large premade world where you can save the world or go off and do a ton of different things? I guess its more like a buffet where it may not be a limitless selection, but there is enough variety to satisfy most people.

 

[Glade Riven]

Considering that the Elder Scrolls have extensive modification (Mod) tools, both official and unofficial..actually, yes. You can do anything in Elder Scrolls.*

*May only be done legally on the PC version. Getting custom mods to work on your Xbox may be possible, but it may also void your warrenty and gain the Wrath of Microsoft (TM) as they frown on people modifying game content at home. Certaint area restrictions may apply. See local laws for details.

 

[Mark CMG]

I've played Arena and Daggerfall (the early Elder Scrolls games) and there was always one major quest as well as any number of minor side-quests you could take up by your own initiative. Those games came as close as I have seen a computer game come to simulating a roleplaying game but certainly they never rose to the level of a tabletop RPG for real roloeplaying interaction. There's simply no substitute to having a human GM who can react in the moment to absolutely anything thought up in the moment by human players. And, no, you couldn't just do whatever you felt like doing, only a bunch of options that were preprogrammed into the game. That someone can mod in additional options really doesn't make it possible to do whatever you want, either.

 

[Hussar]

First of all, "Ugh, this meal is terrible - it's too Italian!" is clearly an opening statement. If you're looking for an explanation at this point, you're asking too much of the speaker and the language. The first words out of the speaker's mouth will never be ""Ugh, this meal is terrible - it's too Italian- and by that I mean blah, blah, blah, blah and blah, which is terrible because of yada yada yada."

NOBODY talks like this.

As for the last phrase, no, you're still not implying a default criticism of Italian any more than the phrase "too garlicky." At best, you can say the speaker thinks its too much of something- here, "Italian-ness"- but you have no idea whether its because he doesn't like Italian food at all or if he was simply looking for something less Italian.

Making a few comments as I wade back up to speed.

Back up a second though. Imagine every single time you prepare a particular dish, you have someone telling you "It's too Italian", which prompts virtually the same conversation each and every time.

Yes, there might be some variations on the theme, but, the overwhelming majority of the time it's the same conversation - the criticism of the dish actually has very little to do with Italian cuisine but rather with how someone perceives Italian cuisine that they rarely eat.

Granted, from time to time, you might not have THAT conversation, but, the majority of the time, you do.

Now, imagine that this same conversation has been happening virtually every single time you cook for the past decade. Every time you make a particular dish, for the past ten years, someone chimes in that it's too Italian.

How much patience do you think you'd have for that?

 

[Hussar]

Honestly, going wayyyy back to the OP, I love it when people trot out the "it's too videogamey" refrain. At least it's honest. Sure, there might be that small number out there who is using it as a descriptor, but, IME, the vast majority are simply doing it to push buttons and score Internet points without actually having to make any sort of thought.

Makes filling out Ignore lists SOOO much easier.