Cloistered clerics and coradine monks

[emanresu]

do both these classes use int instead of wis as main att?
carmendine monks not coradine

 

[Ashtagon]

I've not heard of coradine monks, but if cloistered clerics are the ones from teh SRD, they use Wisdom, not Intelligence.

 

[emanresu]

ok the above Monks do use int in place of wis

 

[emoplato]

ok the above Monks do use int in place of wis

Carmendine monks

 

[Duke Arioch]

As said, carmendine monks (feat). As for CC, no. They are still wisdom based. They just get all knowledge skills as class, and IIRC more skill points/lvl.

 

[emanresu]

As said, carmendine monks (feat). As for CC, no. They are still wisdom based. They just get all knowledge skills as class, and IIRC more skill points/lvl.

i think Ide rather be a Archivist. The CC has 1/2 BAB and a d6, that aint good! Maybe Im missing what there strength is, maybe its just a flavor, and if so I again say Archivist

 

[emoplato]

i think Ide rather be a Archivist. The CC has 1/2 BAB and a d6, that aint good! Maybe Im missing what there strength is, maybe its just a flavor, and if so I again say Archivist

Well an Archivist is powerful(the dread secret power is quite handy and hilarious at the same time), but a cloistered cleric gets 3 domains, turn undead, spontaneous cure/inflict spells, and more spells against the archivist.

 

[emanresu]

Well an Archivist is powerful(the dread secret power is quite handy and hilarious at the same time), but a cloistered cleric gets 3 domains, turn undead, spontaneous cure/inflict spells, and more spells against the archivist.

archivist access to all domians, druid , ranger & paladin spell lists

 

[Jackinthegreen]

An Archivist theoretically has access to every divine spell, but in practical play it's impossible to have that. Clerics, however, aren't limited by having to scribe spells. Having to buy scrolls to learn spells can eat up a lot of money, and keeping the prayerbook safe might also become an issue.

Clerics also have Turn/Rebuke Undead, which an Archivist doesn't have except through Sacred Exorcist and potentially other PrCs. Turn Undead has the potential to fuel a lot of things, including Divine Metamagic, which means Archivists miss out.

Archivists are also 1/2 BAB and d6, the same as Cloistered Clerics. I'd suggest getting a hold of the book if you're going to comment on it.

Both classes are quite powerful, enough so to break the game in many ways. When you can literally break and mold reality, power level tends to become a non-issue. It all boils down to playstyle preference at that time.

 

[emoplato]

archivist access to all domians, druid , ranger & paladin spell lists

All divine spells, not domains, on top of domain abilities domains grant spells they may very well be on other lists including sorcerer/wizard list, even though they aren't on a cleric list you get them because they are in your domain. Your God makes them divine for your use.