Do Druids Retain Buffs in Wildshape?

[milothethief]

Hello there--first post!

My question is regarding D&D 3.5, where a druid regularly casts Luminescent Armor. For the love of all that is Pelor, I cannot seem to find out whether or not he will retain his Luminescent Armor once he turns into an animal.

Could anyone point me toward the right rules? Thank you! Pelor bless you!

 

[jefgorbach]

AFB but generally once a spell is cast, the effect last for the duration and thus would continue to affect his new form(s) until it expired unless specified otherwise, willingly dismissed, or negated/suppressed by some means (ie: Antimagic, Dispel Magic).

 

[Ashtagon]

It depends.

Wildshape has gone through many revisions, and different versions of the ability said slightly different things.

That said, generally, spells do remain with the character when he wildshapes.

However:

Any gear worn or carried by the druid melds into the new form and becomes nonfunctional. When the druid reverts to her true form, any objects previously melded into the new form reappear in the same location on her body that they previously occupied and are once again functional. Any new items worn in the assumed form fall off and land at the druid's feet.

If the spell was directly affecting the druid's gear rather than the druid himself, then the enchantment on that gear (including the spell) also ceases to function while wildshaped.

 

[RUMBLETiGER]

As far as I know buffs to the Druid to remain when Wildshaped.

However, my next thought is how one could abuse that with an Enlarge Person spell by assuming forms of a larger size category. I could see a DM ruling that since you're no longer in a humanoid form, that particular spell would be suppressed for the duration of the wild shape.

 

[jefgorbach]

Perhaps, but you'd still be limited to Wildshaping into Enlarged forms of those creatures you already know and thus the same as casting Enlarge once changed.

 

[RUMBLETiGER]

Perhaps, but you'd still be limited to Wildshaping into Enlarged forms of those creatures you already know and thus the same as casting Enlarge once changed.

Enlarge was changed to Enlarge person in 3.5, limiting the effect to humanoids. Since the Druid is still of the humanoid type, while being in a non-humanoid form, it could be a DM call. only reason I brought it up.

I can't find the Luminescent Armor spell. What source is it from?

 

[kitcik]

Enlarge was changed to Enlarge person in 3.5, limiting the effect to humanoids. Since the Druid is still of the humanoid type, while being in a non-humanoid form, it could be a DM call. only reason I brought it up.

I can't find the Luminescent Armor spell. What source is it from?

I think BoED, It is an awesome spell of its type.

 

[RUMBLETiGER]

I think BoED, It is an awesome spell of its type.

...I really should have guessed by the name, shouldn't I?

Ok, so we've got a Druid using a level 1 Sanctified spell.
...Wow, that is a really good level 1 spell. So, it appears to look like armor made of light, it imparts the effect of having worn armor, but it is not armor, it is a spell effect. I'd allow this to work for a Wild Shaped Druid, and I'd pat the player on the back for being this strategic. The STR damage sacrafice would still apply when the spell ends, regardless of which form the character is in, and even if that form changed during the duration of the damage.

 

[Empirate]

LA is one helluva broken spell for its level. Not only does it provide better AC bonus than the comparable and par-for-the-course Mage Armor, it also imparts a horrible debuff in enemies attacking you. I can't see where this is balanced by paltry Str damage. At least let him take the Str damage at the time of casting, not when the spell ends, otherwise there's no discernible cost at all.

That said, yes, the spell remains in effect as long as the Druid is still an eligible target. For example, if you cast Enlarge Person on the Druid, and the Druid then cast a spell on himself which changes his type from Humanoid to something else, the EP spell would end, since it cannot affect anything but Humanoids.

The latest Wildshape rules let you retain your creature type, though, so Luminous Armor, Enlarge Person etc. would remain in effect.

However, where Enlarge Person is concerned:

"Multiple magical effects that increase size do not stack."

Hence, if you change into something that's bigger than yourself while under the effects of Enlarge Person (or when you cast EP on yourself while in some form that's larger than your normal self), the size increase would not be cumulative.

 

[frankthedm]

"Multiple magical effects that increase size do not stack."

Hence, if you change into something that's bigger than yourself while under the effects of Enlarge Person (or when you cast EP on yourself while in some form that's larger than your normal self), the size increase would not be cumulative.

Agreed, but don't be surprised if someone shows up to try to claim changing size to a larger size category somehow should't count as increasing size.