D&D 5E The Door, Player Expectations, and why 5e can't unify the fanbase.

[nogray]

Utgard-loki

Jormungandr encircling Midgard while simultaneously being a small cat in giant's hut is unexplainable.

Since you've used it twice, I figured I'd chime in with the well-known explanation in the myth itself that this was an illusion created by Utgard-loki, a magical giant. He placed the illusion that it was his cat (small to a giant, not to Thor -- at least according to the versions I have read) as a part of a trick against Thor.

 

[Crazy Jerome]

The DM (AKA, the gods, fate, destiny, etc.) is going to make sure that I get a bunch of exceptionally nifty equipment to keep up with the wizard and cleric IS a mythic power. It's kind of an odd one, that people can avoid looking at directly while pretending it just happened, but if you look at it squarely in terms of the emergent story, it's mythic.

It's also a power that is subject to a lot of fiat, but then so is the wording of a wish.

 

[billd91]

Why isn't there a fantasy trope that high level fighters learn to craft magic weapons and armor on their own?

There is, sort of. Smiths were often viewed as being able to craft magical devices, particularly blacksmiths in Celtic lore. I suppose it's debatable that they would map to fighters in D&D, but it's not far off.

Fortunately, PF has now incorporated the idea with Master Craftsman as a feat. I really like that they've done that.

As far as moving forward with 5e, I could see a fighter's primary weapon taking on magical powers spontaneously via exposure to the heroic adventures the fighter goes on and his personality. I would encourage the player and DM to collaborate in assigning magical powers based on how the character has been played. This would be how certain artifacts would be "created". An alternative would be to develop an ancestral weapon with the powers determined in advance by the DM and player to capture the spirit of the family - and then the powers would unlock spontaneously as the character advances into his destiny.

 

[Fifth Element]

How do you figure when I was just having that conversation with pemerton the last page or two, and also with YOU just yesterday.

I recall a portion of the discussion involving my suggestion (basically mental and physical preparation for a mighty task that few can even attempt, and once that's done the prep must be done again), and how it doesn't have to be Leap Ocean 1/day and Cleave Mountain 1/day, instead perhaps one of the other (ie, Mythic Feat 1/day) or having some kind of pool for this type of thing. Were you not involved in that? Maybe it was someone else.

 

[Remathilis]

I do. Now what? Fix it, WotC.

They did. Nobody liked the result.

 

[Fifth Element]

They did. Nobody liked the result.

Citation needed.

 

[Remathilis]

Citation needed.

Do I REALLY have to start finding all the "Warblade is broken" and "Desert Wind, not in my campaign!" threads from 2007?

 

[Fifth Element]

Do I REALLY have to start finding all the "Warblade is broken" and "Desert Wind, not in my campaign!" threads from 2007?

No, but "some people complained about it" does not equal "nobody liked it." If that were the case, nobody's liked any edition of D&D ever.

 

[TwoSix]

They did. Nobody liked the result.

Considering it's my single favorite 3.5 book (outside of MIC), I disagree. If you need more convincing, go post on the GitP forums about your dislike of the book. I'm sure it will be edifying.

 

[TwinBahamut]

They did. Nobody liked the result.

Are you kidding? That's the best book ever printed for 3E, and the only reason I might even consider ever playing another 3E game. It's also the number one reason I don't want to play Pathfinder. Why play a version of 3E that doesn't have the Tome of Battle?!