D&D 5E Class Mechanics Idea: The Warlord

ZombieRoboNinja

First Post
EDIT: See this post a few pages in for a bit of a redesign.

I was thinking about the warlord and how it might work in 5e. There are some big hurdles to consider:

1. A lot of people don't buy into "nonmagical healing."

2. Warlord is the only class from the 4e PHB1 not carried over from an earlier edition, so there's no real guidance how its mechanics might work outisde of AEDU.

3. Since the warlord schtick of inspiring allies could fit well with any class, it's a prime candidate for being demoted to a specialty. (The "leader" specialty they mentioned in the PA podcast sounded sweet!)

4. Healing in 5e is a daily resource, so whatever the warlord's new mechanics, he'd need to have a pool of daily powers to pull healing from.

Despite these hurdles, the class is a very cool concept, and it fills a niche that few other classes would: the non-Vancian healer.

So what would a 5e warlord look like? To my mind, it's a class that is tactically-minded above all else. That is to say, however his abilities are apportioned, they must be designed to be optimized for each skirmish the warlord faces. He's adept at fighting "with the army he has, not the army he wishes he had."

Oddly enough, I like the idea of the warlord's mechanics as a combination between the 5e warlock and sorcerer: the warlord can learn a fixed number of "tactics" (like a wizard learning spells), but can only prep himself and his part for a limited number of them at a time (let's say 2-3 at first level). Whenever he has a short rest with the party, he can brief the team on their tactics for next time - in other words, "encounter" powers are his primary forte. I've designed the sample maneuvers here to be semi-passive, so that you don't have to worry about "spamming" them.

He would also need at-will abilities, for those combats that last longer than 2 rounds. I think these could be called maneuvers, like a fighter's, but I'd also think they don't need a fancy expertise dice mechanic. Like a cleric, he should know a couple useful maneuvers at first level and learn a new one every few levels.

Finally, that daily resource pool. I'd call it "Morale points" and start it at 2 points/day. The trick is that certain maneuvers cost morale points. Everyone starts with a healing maneuver, but you can learn other "utility" maneuvers that might also cost Morale. (For example, "forced march" might let the party move double speed over long distances.)

With no further ado, the basic Warlord:
Warlord

HD/HD: d8
Armor Proficiencies: Medium
Weapon Proficiencies: All

Code:
Lvl  Atk  Morale  Tactics  Class Features
1    +3   2/day   2+Int    Drills, Combat Tactics
2    +3   2/day   3+Int
3    +3   3/day   4+Int    New drill
4    +3   3/day   5+Int        
5    +3   4/day   6+Int

Drills:
The warlord has drilled tirelessly in a number of maneuvers that aid his allies in combat and help fuse them into a deadly fighting force. These drills can be repeated as often as desired. Unless noted otherwise, drills are actions.
At first level, the warlord knows Triage and two other drills; he learns an additional drill of his choice every third level (3, 6, 9).

Combat Tactics:
The warlord has studied numerous clever tactics designed to enhance the effectiveness of his unit in combat. These tactics must be carefully plotted out and discussed with the party before the fighting starts. This means that however many tactics the warlord knows, he must choose only two of them to prepare for each combat. When he has a short rest, he can use the downtime to plot out new maneuvers for the next combat with his party. Any member of the party not present and conscious for the short rest will not be able to participate in or receive benefits from the warlord's tactics in the following battle.

In his detailed knowledge of the ways of combat, the warlord recognizes that morale is often the key to victory. An "inspiration" is a type of tactic typically used out of combat, which generally takes some time to perform but does not need to be prepared in advance. These inspirations cost "Morale." Morale represents the limit of the warlord's ability to inspire confidence and teamwork in his unit, and can only be recharged with a long rest. A warlord has 2 Morale Points per day at first level, increasing by 1 at each odd level (3 at 3rd, 4 at 5th, etc).

Every warlord knows the Inspiration Dig Deep and at least 1 other tactic of his choice. If his Int modifier is positive, he adds it to the number of tactics he knows. The warlord learns a new tactic every level.

List of Drills:
Triage
His vast experience on the battlefield allows the warlord to apply poultices and salves with military efficiency. When you use this ability on an adjacent ally, he may spend one of his Hit Dice to recharge hit points as if you were using a Healer's Kit outside of combat. At third level, he may spend up to 2 HD this way, increasing by an additional HD every 3 levels.

Distracting Strike
You make a melee or ranged attack against an enemy; if you hit, you deal half damage, but the enemy receives Disadvantage on their next attack before the beginning of your next turn.

Aid Ally
You grant an adjacent ally advantage on one roll of their choice before the beginning of your next turn.

List of Tactics:
Dig Deep (Inspiration)
You inspire an ally to channel reserved they didn't even know they had, granting them one extra Hit Die. This Hit Die disappears if it isn't spent by the time the warlord takes a long rest. You may target two allies at 3rd level and an additional ally every 3 levels after that; however, you can't inspire yourself with this ability.

Forced March (Inspiration)
Your military discipline encourages your party to move more efficiently, covering long overland distances twice as quickly as normal.

Group Presence (Inspiration)
With your guidance and careful rehearsal, the party acts in careful accord even in social situations. All members of your party gain advantage on Diplomacy, Intimidate, Barter, Bluff, and Insight checks for the next 10 minutes.

Slippery Movement
Instead of getting advantage on attacks of opportunity against your party, enemies receive disadvantage instead.

Nova Strike
As an action, the warlord may designate a single target to his allies; all allies deal +1d6 damage against that target. (This damage increases to +2d6 at level 5 and +3d6 at level 8.) The warlord may not designate another target until the party takes another short rest.

Back to Back
Enemies cannot receive advantage on attacks against a party member who is adjacent to at least one other party member.

Phalanx
Allies adjacent to the warlord (or adjacent to an ally who is) receive advantage on all saving throws and deal +1d6 damage on melee attacks. (Damage increases to +2d6 at 3rd level, +3d6 at 6th, and +4d6 at 9th.)

Devotion
The party is immune to fear and charm effects as long as the warlord is conscious and within 50 feet.

Strike as One
The warlord may call for an orchestrated attack against a single target. As a reaction, every member of the party can make an immediate melee or ranged attack against that target (if they are in range). The warlord can call for this attack at any time, not only on his turn, but only once per short rest.

So would this class be fun to play?
 
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Sadrik

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I want to bring it back a peg. So conceptually a warlord is a support class like the bard. It actually does a lot of things like a bard. Should the bard and the warlord exist together s separate and distinct? Support characters are generally not popular, in part this is why the cleric and the bard are not interesting to a lot of people. I think that the warlord as a build for other classes makes more sense. Paladin with a warlord theme and I can even see some of the warlord class features being a paladin or even ranger class feature. Ranger is a smart tactical character high on senses and tactical merit. I see no reason that a warlord should not fit in there. So again, as a build that a player actively chooses, to make his character a support character. YMMV!
 

GameDoc

Explorer
I want to bring it back a peg. So conceptually a warlord is a support class like the bard. It actually does a lot of things like a bard. Should the bard and the warlord exist together s separate and distinct? Support characters are generally not popular, in part this is why the cleric and the bard are not interesting to a lot of people. I think that the warlord as a build for other classes makes more sense. Paladin with a warlord theme and I can even see some of the warlord class features being a paladin or even ranger class feature. Ranger is a smart tactical character high on senses and tactical merit. I see no reason that a warlord should not fit in there. So again, as a build that a player actively chooses, to make his character a support character. YMMV!

You know, people have been saying "Warlord as a type of fighter" but "Warlord as a type of bard" makes sense. Look at how they did the Dragon Sorcerer - upgrading weapon and armor capacity. Upgrade a bard's weapons and armor so it can handle frontline combat, and you might get a good warlord.
 

GX.Sigma

Adventurer
I think "leader" should be a choice that any class can take (especially Fighters, who literally become warlords in classic D&D). While there could theoretically be an entire class based around telling other people what to do, it doesn't feel like a core class.

But for me Paladin and Druid don't feel like core classes either, and those are definitely going to be in, so sure, bring on the Warlord. (Just call it something other than Warlord.)
 

Vikingkingq

Adventurer
Overall, I like it.

I might change the names to something like Tactical Drills and Battle Strategies (in general, avoiding repetition of terms avoids confusion at the table), which better emphasizes the way in which the Warlord has practiced simpler maneuvers with their allies so much that they can pull them off at-will, whereas more complex plans require the Warlord to get together with their allies and talk through what they're going to do.

I'm not super-thrilled with the way in which some Tactics require Morale Points and others don't - I'd say either all Tactics require Morale Points, or you just have them be straight up Encounter abilities with no point system.

Also, maybe instead of allowing people to spend HD because it gets people's back up about healing, the Warlord instead allows people to spend HD to gain temporary Hit Points, which better represents the Warlord inspiring people to "push past the pain" until the battles over when they come down from the adrenaline rush.
 

If non-magical healing is a no-go, I think the alternative would be temporary hit points and/or damage reduction granting abilities.

As Limited Use Abilities
Inspiring Word
One ally that can hear you gains temporary hit points equal to its hit dice + your Charisma bonus.
You can still make a melee or ranged attack after you used Inspiring Word.

Shout of Warning
When one of your allies is hit by an attack, you can use this ability as a reaction. The ally reduces the damage taken by your Intelligence Modifier + 1/2 your level.


As Combat Superiority Options
Inspiring Word
One ally that gains temporary hit points equal to the combat superiority dice you spend.

Shout of Warning
When one of your allies is hit by an attack, you reduce the damage taken by the combat superiority dice you spend.


Now both probably will still need some numerical balancing, but I don't have the exact fighter mechanics in my heads right now to compare.
 

Argyle King

Legend
I was thinking about the warlord and how it might work in 5e. There are some big hurdles to consider:

1. A lot of people don't buy into "nonmagical healing."

2. Warlord is the only class from the 4e PHB1 not carried over from an earlier edition, so there's no real guidance how its mechanics might work outisde of AEDU.


some good ideas, but I have a minor nitpick

I'd say that the Marshal class from 3rd Edition was somewhat of a precursor for the Warlord. The Warlord might also have a little bit of the Knight class from 3rd Edition; I think Warlord and some of the 4E defenders had a few of their elements tested in the Knight class.
 

ZombieRoboNinja

First Post
Overall, I like it.

I might change the names to something like Tactical Drills and Battle Strategies (in general, avoiding repetition of terms avoids confusion at the table), which better emphasizes the way in which the Warlord has practiced simpler maneuvers with their allies so much that they can pull them off at-will, whereas more complex plans require the Warlord to get together with their allies and talk through what they're going to do.

Good point. I'll change maneuvers to Drills, but AFAIK "tactics" isn't a technical term yet (is it?) so I'll keep the encounter/daily abilities as those.

I'm not super-thrilled with the way in which some Tactics require Morale Points and others don't - I'd say either all Tactics require Morale Points, or you just have them be straight up Encounter abilities with no point system.

I'm going to change one of the morale-using tactics because it breaks my cardinal rule (Morale only for healing or utility purposes). But the idea is that like warlocks choosing between minor and lesser invocations, a warlord can get a bunch of interesting "utility" Tactics that use Morale, or he can just use it for healing and get encounter Tactics instead.

Also, maybe instead of allowing people to spend HD because it gets people's back up about healing, the Warlord instead allows people to spend HD to gain temporary Hit Points, which better represents the Warlord inspiring people to "push past the pain" until the battles over when they come down from the adrenaline rush.

I think I'm going to refluff Second Wind so that it's (nonmagical) in-combat triage: you're slapping a poultice on your buddy's wounds and patting him on the back. I don't like the temporary HP approach, because then you're kind of screwing people out of their HD. HD are supposed to be a way to let characters heal without magic; converting them to temporary HP that evaporate once combat ends would be almost the opposite of a cleric, who adds extra ways to heal without costing HD.
 


ZombieRoboNinja

First Post
I like it.

But I'd separate the Prepared and Morale tactics into 2 types: Tactics and Inspirations

I like the idea but don't want to have to write "tactic or inspiration" 50 times, so I made "inspiration" a subtype of tactic. Thanks!

BTW, anyone who has a cool tactic or drill to suggest, please do so. I'm trying to mine the 4e PHB for good martial utility powers, and I'm coming up a bit short on non-combat ones.
 

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