Wizard / Warlock Hybrid

[ZickZak]

I've asked on the official forums, yet they've ignored my question and I got one reply only, so I'd figured I'd asked here:

If Warlock / Wizard (lvl 12) hybrid takes the Elemental Pact - Does this change even the wizards spells?
If Elemental Affinity roll would be "Fire", would my Magic Missile do 10 more damage via the Accursed Affinity Boon? (because now it's technically fire)

Right or Wrong? Thanks

 

[Herobizkit]

Hybrid Warlocks select a pact, but don't get the boon, nor the at-will of that pact.... so, no dice as far as I can tell unless you choose the at-will attack option of the Elemental Pact and then buy the Hybrid Talent feat.

If you can put all of this together, I'd say it would be a go.

 

[ZickZak]

Hybrid Warlocks select a pact, but don't get the boon, nor the at-will of that pact....

Using Twofold Pact for that.

[h=1]Twofold Pact[/h]Paragon Tier
Prerequisite: 11th level, Eldritch Pact class feature
Benefit: You gain a second Eldritch Pact. You gain the at-will spell and pact boon of that pact. You can use only one of your pact boon benefits at a time, however.

 

[Herobizkit]

Seems like you're abusing the letter of the feat rather that following its intention. One might assume that, since you can't get a boon from your first pact, you can't get a boon from the second one either, because Hybrids don't get boons or at-wills from their pacts.

 

[I'm A Banana]

I think it'd work. Contrary to [MENTION=36150]Herobizkit[/MENTION], I don't think you're exploiting a loophole -- you could get the ability at LV 1 by taking Hybrid Talent to get the Pact Boon, and the Chromatic Bolt at-will, so this is not really getting any edge over that. It takes a feat, and you can do it.

What's odd is that the online Character Builder doesn't seem to consider elemental pact to be a valid hybrid pact, though I can't see any RAW reason why that should be. I imagine it's just because the elemental pact came after the hybrid pact and it hasn't been added back in (things happen like that -- Genasi can't feat into Athasian Genasi powers because of the same backfill problem). And Elemental Pact is explicit that it works with any arcane power, so if you grabbed Magic Missile via some other method (such as Arcane Initiate or a wand with the power in it) it should work basically the same, only you get to do it at-will.

I'd say go fer it.

 

[Herobizkit]

[MENTION=2067]Kamikaze Midget[/MENTION], in my first post, I mentioned about him needing to take Hybrid Feat to get the appropriate benefits. Provided he did so, Twofold Pact should mesh nicely; if he didn't, it would be an exploit.

 

[I'm A Banana]

[MENTION=2067]Kamikaze Midget[/MENTION], in my first post, I mentioned about him needing to take Hybrid Feat to get the appropriate benefits. Provided he did so, Twofold Pact should mesh nicely; if he didn't, it would be an exploit.

I'd say he'd be good with either. There's nothing about being a hybrid warlock that forbids you from EVER taking a pact boon or warlock at-will, you just don't get them automatically. So he could hybrid talent into the pact boon, or he could twofold pact into the pact boon, or perhaps get a pact boon from nearly anywhere else that gives 'em out.

Basically, getting Twofold Pact, despite the name, doesn't actually require you to have any pacts already.

 

[Majoru Oakheart]

I know I ruled in my game that taking the feat if you were Hybrid was exploiting a loophole. It gives too much power to a Hybrid character compared to its effect on a normal Warlock.

I believe it was the intention of the designers that the prerequisite of Eldritch Pact class feature meant that you already had a Pact(i.e. they put that in to make sure whoever took it was a Warlock as their actual class, not a multiclass Warlock). However, as often happens with these things, the author either forgot to take into account Hybrid Warlocks(either because he forgot the hybrid class feature was named the same as the single class class feature or because he just forgot Hybrids existed when he was writing it), or Hybrid hadn't been printed yet when the feat was written(not when it was printed, it could have been written long before the book was printed).

It's fairly evident that the author assumed you had a pact and pact boon already in order to take the feat, thus all the references to your "second" pact and only being able to use one of your pact boons at a time.

 

[ZickZak]

It says so even in the builder... that you'll get the at-will etc and it's marked on the sheet, opening it and checking the powers - chromatic bolt is listed.

 

[Ferghis]

I, for one, agree that it is a loophole but do not consider its exploitation game-breaking or bad. My philosophy is that if you stand by the rules, you fall by the rules. Otherwise, you better be prepared to houserule a large chunk of the game to make all the "bad" choices in the game good enough to compete with the better ones. But some DMs, as is their right, choose to require that the fluff matches the rule mechanics, and this is somewhat reasonable. The problem with that take is that so much of the fluff is specific to a setting or tied to a particular piece of published story-line that this requirement makes a lot of the game off-limits for a homebrew setting.

Also, let's focus on OP's question for a moment.

If Warlock / Wizard (lvl 12) hybrid takes the Elemental Pact - Does this change even the wizards spells?
If Elemental Affinity roll would be "Fire", would my Magic Missile do 10 more damage via the Accursed Affinity Boon? (because now it's technically fire)

Yes, any arcane attack power would be changeable to the correct damage type and Accursed Affinity would grant vulnerability to that arcane attack power.