Converting Epic Level Creatures

[Cleon]

Do we still feel like we need that? It seems like a bit of a stretch. On the other hand, adding mind blank or a similar anti-divination spell to the SLA list wouldn't be bad.

That'd be OK by me.

He's already immune to mind-affecting powers already, but I guess it'd be handy having immunity to information-gathering divinations too.

How about giving him detect scrying and false vision instead of or in addition to mind blank, so he can choose to send "horrible images" to folk who spy on him magically?

 

[freyar]

Detect scrying and false vision are good. You're right that mind blank would be a bit superfluous.

So if we add those two SLAs, can we drop divination darkness and the rest of the red ?s?

 

[Cleon]

Detect scrying and false vision are good. You're right that mind blank would be a bit superfluous.

So if we add those two SLAs, can we drop divination darkness and the rest of the red ?s?

That'd be OK by me.

Updating the Ythog-Nthlei Working Draft.

We still need to nail down the SLAs, but once that's done I think we're done with the special abilities.

 

[freyar]

At will: greater teleport, greater arcane sight, true seeing, detect scrying, false vision, prying eyes, dimensional anchor, greater dispel magic
1/day or 3/day??: dimensional lock, mage's disjunction, screen

The suggestion "unholy aura or magic circle against good or unhallow?" all seem a bit redundant with Aura of Desecration, at least thematically.

Those are my thoughts, how about you?

 

[Cleon]

At will: greater teleport, greater arcane sight, true seeing, detect scrying, false vision, prying eyes, dimensional anchor, greater dispel magic
1/day or 3/day??: dimensional lock, mage's disjunction, screen

The suggestion "unholy aura or magic circle against good or unhallow?" all seem a bit redundant with Aura of Desecration, at least thematically.

Those are my thoughts, how about you?

How about cutting the mage's disjunction? It seems a bit surplus to requirements.

I'm OK cutting the unholy aura and magic circle vs good but would like to keep the unhallow, since it allows it to "profane" an area and move on.

Since the Dark King is a pan dimensional being he ought to be able to travel interdimensionally, so we need to keep the plane shift.

I could do a few additional X/day abilities. A legend lore would not unduly increase his combat abilities. How about gate for the other one?

He doesn't really need dimensional lock and dimensional anchor. I'd get rid of one of them. Probably the anchor.

That'd make it:

At will—greater arcane sight, detect scrying, greater dispel magic, false vision, plane shift, prying eyes, greater teleport, true seeing, unhallow.
X/day—dimensional lock, gate, legend lore, screen.

 

[freyar]

Sure, that's a good enough list for me. Want to go 1/day or 3/day on those? 1/day might be a little more interesting tactically.

 

[Cleon]

Sure, that's a good enough list for me. Want to go 1/day or 3/day on those? 1/day might be a little more interesting tactically.

We could do half-and-half.

1/day for gate and legend lore and 3/day for dimensional lock and screen?

 

[freyar]

I'll agree to that.

I think we're done with special abilities now. Do you see the need for any more?

 

[Cleon]

I'll agree to that.

I think we're done with special abilities now. Do you see the need for any more?

I think that'll do. Although upon reflection, I'll upgrade the prying eyes to greater prying eyes.

Updating the Ythog-Nthlei Working Draft.

Ready for Feats/Skills/Environment/Org/CR/Treasure?

 

[freyar]

I guess we should do skills and feats next, but that feels a bit intimidating. Let's take a hack at the skills. I guess I'd go for max ranks to keep things simple.

Concentration, Intimidate, Knowledge (religion), Knowledge (the planes), Listen, Sense Motive, Spot, ???

Maybe Diplomacy for dealing with cultists? Any other thoughts?