Calm Animals on Magical Beasts?

[magnusmalkus]

Can Calm Animals be used on Magical Beasts so long as the magical beast has an Intelligence of 1 or 2? Or is the spell restricted to use upon the subtype: Animal only?

SRD info:

relevant Calm Animals info:
[TABLE="class: statBlock"][TR][TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: right"]Targets:[/TD][TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Animals within 30 ft. of each other[/TD][/TR][/TABLE]This spell soothes and quiets animals, rendering them docile and harmless. Only ordinary animals (those with Intelligence scores of 1 or 2) can be affected by this spell.
[h=3]Subtype info:
Animal Type[/h]An animal is a living, nonhuman creature, usually a vertebrate with no magical abilities and no innate capacity for language or culture.
[h=3]Magical Beast Type[/h]Magical beasts are similar to animals but can have Intelligence scores higher than 2. Magical beasts usually have supernatural or extraordinary abilities, but sometimes are merely bizarre in appearance or habits.


The discussion at the table was that "All Magical Beasts are Animals, but not all Animals are Magical Beasts" and that so long as the magical beast in question had an intelligence of 1 or 2, it should work. The counter argument was that if the spell were meant to affect magical beasts, it would say so in the spell description and not specifically target "animals" or specify "Only ordinary animals may be affected..."

Is there anything in the rules to support the view that "All Magical Beasts are Animals, but not all Animals are Magical Beasts"?

 

[Cyclone_Joker]

Can Calm Animals be used on Magical Beasts so long as the magical beast has an Intelligence of 1 or 2?

No.

Or is the spell restricted to use upon the subtype: Animal only?

Animal is a type, not a subtype.

Is there anything in the rules to support the view that "All Magical Beasts are Animals, but not all Animals are Magical Beasts"?

No, nothing at all.

 

[Mark1733]

Okay, then what would you use to calm a magical beast? Are there skills (i.e., diplomacy)? Class features (e.g., wild empathy)? or other spells that would make sense. If this an obvious answer, my bad. I am not attempting to look anything up at this time.

I guess you can always "house" something that makes sense to you and your campaign.

Thanks!

 

[Cyclone_Joker]

Okay, then what would you use to calm a magical beast? Are there skills (i.e., diplomacy)? Class features (e.g., wild empathy)? or other spells that would make sense. If this an obvious answer, my bad. I am not attempting to look anything up at this time.

Diplomacy could work, should the Magical Beast have an intelligence of 3 or higher and you're willing to take the penalty to use it quickly(Assuming the Magical Beast is pissed at you this instant). Wild Empathy works on intelligence 1 and 2 Magical Beasts, at a penalty. Calm Emotion would work too, even though it sucks.

 

[magnusmalkus]

As I suspected. Thanks folks.