There's a rather major change mentioned at the top of the page. It just started tracking RPGNow/DTRPG and Kickstarter. There are, of course, no DDN products on either at present.
D&D 5E Why I Think D&DN is In Trouble
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There's a rather major change mentioned at the top of the page. It just started tracking RPGNow/DTRPG and Kickstarter. There are, of course, no DDN products on either at present.
Mistwell
Crusty Old Meatwad
So now it's substantially less "What games are people talking about" and much more "What supplements people are making for various existing RPGs" and "marketing".
Which, to me at least, makes it far less useful a tool. It's now not an accurate tool for either discussion or sales, as it's a weird mix of both. At that point, why even exclude the home message boards of RPG makers? It's not like they're not promoting their products on RPGNow/DTRPG and Kickstarter. You're now tapping a large portion of the marketing messages for these games.
Meh, ah well...if others find this more useful, I'd love to hear why. Is "discussion of the pathfinder video game on Kickstarter, much of which is from authors of the video game answering questions or updating status" really something people want measured by this tool? You really want "we're putting X product on sale this month" to be a primary feed into this data?
the Jester
Legend
Gah. No matter how much press, how much buzz, how much effort they put out, there is a significant portion of the gaming community who will always, always, always hate metaplot being forced on them and will always, always, always feel as though that is exactly what's happening with something like this.
Speaking as a member of that group, the whole Sundering thing should not be more popular; it's YET ANOTHER campaign-world-shaking event to mark an edition change, and I think it is less about being a popular event and more about letting people have what they want out the FR products we'll see for 5e. In other words, the Sundering is more about promoting later products than about selling itself.
Mistwell
Crusty Old Meatwad
I am really struggling to see this point of view. It's a campaign event. It doesn't appear to be very world-shaking. It seems about as world-shaking as a perfectly ordinary adventure path.
the Jester
Legend
I'm basing this on the implication Salvatore and others have made of a major "fix" or timeline reboot.
Giltonio_Santos
Hero
You're probably thinking about Tyranny of the Dragons. The Sundering is indeed a world-shacking event. And a fabulous one, it seems, if it really ends with Realms that are basically pre-4E Realms.
Cheers,
Next will do just fine with the players who were underwhelmed with what 4e brought to the table. I know a lot of people who were very disappointed that the game went in something of a MMO direction, rather than continuing and improving on what 3.5 was. 4e brought in new players, at the expense of many of the older ones. Now though, Next is coming back toward what 3.5 and previous editions were. Yes, I agree it does leave hard-core 4e players out in the cold, but 3.5 and 4e are so different that they are basically different games. There's almost no way to make something that will appeal to fans of both.
I think the "apathy" that the OP speaks of is more a waiting by the fandom to see what we get this time. It's not that nobody cares, but more that those that do care aren't going to say much (except for those who just like to complain about everything) until they get the finished product. It's a more cautious approach. That, and perhaps they've found some other version of the system they like, and are less focused on the newest version of D&D. I have a very small sample size, but the Encounters group that I run at my local store actually really likes Next, and some of them started their roleplaying careers in 4e.
I'm going to say the same thing I said when 4e was coming out: Wait and see. Play it before you judge it. Who knows, it very well might be the revelation that 3e was when it debuted. It could also bomb badly. I was all for 4e before it came out, and once it did, it quickly became my least favorite version of the game (though my home group played from beginning to end of its run, because it was the edition that was current), though my group and I did have some fun with it.
I think the "apathy" that the OP speaks of is more a waiting by the fandom to see what we get this time. It's not that nobody cares, but more that those that do care aren't going to say much (except for those who just like to complain about everything) until they get the finished product. It's a more cautious approach. That, and perhaps they've found some other version of the system they like, and are less focused on the newest version of D&D. I have a very small sample size, but the Encounters group that I run at my local store actually really likes Next, and some of them started their roleplaying careers in 4e.
I'm going to say the same thing I said when 4e was coming out: Wait and see. Play it before you judge it. Who knows, it very well might be the revelation that 3e was when it debuted. It could also bomb badly. I was all for 4e before it came out, and once it did, it quickly became my least favorite version of the game (though my home group played from beginning to end of its run, because it was the edition that was current), though my group and I did have some fun with it.
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