[MENTION=232]Crothian[/MENTION] asked to be informed about the DoaM rules from 4e. I (and some others) informed him. He thanked me via an XP comment (I'm guessing he might have thanked some of the others too).since Crothian seemed to say his group gave up on 4e I don't know why you would be giving such things as an argument of good things in a 5e thread.
There was a lot of flack over reaping strike too. Just do a google search and you can see them. Many of the arguments about it, even from 4e fans, resembled arguments like we are having now about 5e's DoaM. Hardly a good thing either.
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This isn't even a "4e is bad because look its X number of years later and we have 5e." I'm just saying that while it may not have exploded the same way in the 4e days, it was still an issue with a grand number of people
And I still stand by my remark that I haven't encountered DoaM in 4e being abusive. I'm sure there are plenty of people who don't like it, but I don't think their objections are balance-based.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think you're going to see any fighter class options in the Basic D&D game. I think it will have preselected abilities.Gunslinger would already be banned wholesale, and is in a later power option book anyway. Big difference between a "grit" using exploit of a class we'd never play, and a core fighter class option in the Basic D&D game.