Methods of Execution/Criminal Punishment

Here's a simple test:

Seriously ask your wife or girlfriend, if she'd mind being used as a Last Boinker for horrendous criminals as you'd like to offer them a night of solace before they get executed.

Go ahead.

I did mention this top my wife, before you made this suggestion. Her response was... colorful. I'm going to rely on Eric's Grandma to be robust to relay it....

She said that the GM proposing this needs to spend some time in a room alone with a copy of Kushiel's Dart, a bottle of baby oil, and some soft music to play with their fantasies, and keep them away from a setting or gaming table that they share with others.

So, yeah, there's going to be a tendency for female players to find this offensive, and I believe this is understandable and justifiable. What one does at one's own table is ultimately not our business, but this particular element has a high risk of being problematic.
 

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Do you have any unusual ways to punish or execute criminals in your games? Please share...

I find the reality of ancient judicial punishments to be far more bizarre than anything I could actually imagine. Many of them I would not even want to portray in game. The mores on display are so far from modern notions that I feel pretty sure that if I even make note of them, someone would consider them either an endorsement of those beliefs or else a sort of psychopathic voyeurism.

I tend to deal with this problem by having the dominate religious system have a more modern notion of justice, while the more historically accurate notions of 'justice' are represented by older outlawed cults - bad guys in other words. But even then, there are plenty of areas you can be fairly gray on compared to modern ideas - torture, death by exposure, burning at the stake, and beheading are generally usual and accepted even in societies that are nominally 'good' leaning in the setting. I try to reference how harsh the world is without really trying to dwell on it in the imagination graphically. Nonetheless, the PC's have witnessed judicial torture twice in the current campaign, and seen persons convicted of looting in the aftermath of a natural disaster condemned to death by gibbetting - the idea being that this was a 'just' punishment because their greed might condemn the unfortunate to the very death that they now suffer. Likewise, though they didn't witness it, a man found guilty of multiple homocides was drawn and quartered - considered fitting because he'd dismembered the bodies of those he killed.

I know in other parts of the world, that criminals are often executed in trials by combat intended to be public spectacles. In the past, criminals were often executed by energy drain in certain cultures, with the energy collected in magical batteries used to power public works or defenses. However, unless the execution serves some other public purpose, I'm skeptical that expensive methods like this would be used. Weaponized magic is expensive, and unless it serves some other public good, expensive methods of execution would tend not to be used for simple economic reasons. Still, I can recall reading a fantasy story that featured an animated guillotine as the key instrument of execution, which seems rather reasonable and flavorful if you can manage it.

Certain sorts of execution methods that were historically used might not be in favor in a society with widespread magic. If something like 'death by falling' can be thwarted not just by divine intervention, but with a simple feather fall spell, they aren't likely to see much use. I think of the problems of trying to execute the five brothers in the fairy tale. Society is likely to default to forms of execution that are very hard to evade generally, and have safeguards against the use of magic to as great of extent possible. Accused individuals that are potential spellcasters are treated very harshly - eyes burned out with heated copper, fingers broken, tongues torn out, etc. - simply because people are terrified of them.

Even that sort of brutality depicted frankly at a gaming table for me runs right up against the line. I have a strong reason for it, and only depict that sort of thing with adults. And yet, as brutal as that sort of thing is, it doesn't even begin to touch the true perversity - or 'creativity' if you prefer a more neutral term - of ancient judicial punishments. I personally would feel a bit... unclean.. applying my creativity seriously to the problem of making weird forms of execution or punishment. It's bad enough that I know some of the things people have done to each other, and in some cases still do to each other.
 
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Long ago I had a DM who devised a nasty form of execution called "riding the mare".

Basically, picture a children's playground slide, a couple of stories tall. Now, take the actual slide part and turn it 90 degrees, and make the top edge razor sharp. At the bottom of the "slide" is a large sculpted horse bust, like a knight chess piece. Very few criminals executed this way made it to the bottom...
 

I did mention this top my wife, before you made this suggestion. Her response was... colorful. I'm going to rely on Eric's Grandma to be robust to relay it....

She said that the GM proposing this needs to spend some time in a room alone with a copy of Kushiel's Dart, a bottle of baby oil, and some soft music to play with their fantasies, and keep them away from a setting or gaming table that they share with others.

So, yeah, there's going to be a tendency for female players to find this offensive, and I believe this is understandable and justifiable. What one does at one's own table is ultimately not our business, but this particular element has a high risk of being problematic.

Even if there wasn't the rape element, let's say volunteer comfort workers to ease the condemned's last night...

prison people are more likely to infect each other with a variety stuff. HIV runs rampant in our real world prisons. Ironically enough (as SuperFreakonomics cited), hookers have an unexpectedly low HIV rate.

Meaning, nobody in their undiseased right mind wants to have sexual contact with a criminal if they can help it.

Sure, a medieval society has no idea what germs are, but they know the pecking order, and criminals are dirty, sick, diseased people. Nobody's touching them without a 10' pole, let alone a 5" one if they can help it.

Imagine the Duke's Daughter is Paris Hilton. She'll touch a lot of things, but a pariah ain't one of them...
 

So, I actually changed the original tale from random men picked by the duke's daughter to criminals. Was that a mistake? In the original story she was essentially a serial killer. Maybe I should stick with that? But make it a "tradition" in as much as it is used by the Ysians to stay in good with their gods...
 

Trial by Tarrasque. This is a one-sided version of trial by combat. The accused is issued a dagger and is swallowed by a Tarrasque. If the accused is innocent, he/she will succeed in cutting free.

Medusa Method. The accused is brought face-to-face with a medusa; the remains are posted on public buildings as gargoyles.
 

Medusa Method. The accused is brought face-to-face with a medusa; the remains are posted on public buildings as gargoyles.

I can totally like see the queen of Shosnar doing this with a spell instead of risking a possible escaped gorgon running around her city. Also, she likes to take a hands on approach to executions.
 

So, I actually changed the original tale from random men picked by the duke's daughter to criminals. Was that a mistake? In the original story she was essentially a serial killer. Maybe I should stick with that? But make it a "tradition" in as much as it is used by the Ysians to stay in good with their gods...

It hits the ooky button if the Duke makes his daughter do it or if Society makes the daughter do it.

If the daughter is choosing to do it because she's kinky or gets power from it (magic sacrifice), then it's at least not "rape"

From that angle, consider WHO one person would CHOOSE to have sex with. For yourself, would you touch Honey Boo Boo's mom with anything less than a 10' pole? She's pretty icky, and she's dating a pedophile.

The answer is, No, you most likely would not.

Therefore, by extension of parallel preferences, we can deduce, that a woman would also not choose an icky person to have relations with. I recall reading some other articles on "open" sub-groups and the observations are that 10's end up with 10's, 3's with 3's. So generally, Fuglies don't get to nail the Prom Queen, or in this case, the Duke's Daughter.

If the Duke's Daughter is any kind of serial killer/cultist making sacrifices, she's going to be choosing handsome men of power that she then gets some enjoyment from and then turns the tables on them and exerts her final control over them. She may even set up the situation so they think they've seduced or dominated her, before the final trick kicks in.

Now the other factor to consider, is whether it's a good idea for an adult topic like sex in your game. Obviously, baby NPCs come from somewhere, but it may or may not be appropriate or comfortable for such topics to come up. Not all players want to "get laid" in-game in front of their fellow players (or GM for that matter). Some folks would rather such action be referred to off-camera and skip to the morning after. Some would rather avoid talking about such at all beyond crude jokes about what an Orc Princess is going to do to the Paladin.
 

It hits the ooky button...

Well, I find the whole thread is starting to hit my "ooky button".

However, I'll say that by and large I find everyone analyzing this from an anachronistic view point. In an ancient society, it's not necessarily the case that women view their own sexuality as being anything but in the service of society, or that they have any value other than what utility that they can get out of the situation precisely because that's the world view that is imposed on them from an early age - that they are chattel and their value is in their sex the way an ox's value is in its ability to pull a plow. It's instructive to read the unabridged Kama Sutra for example as a religious manual discussing what is the moral way to have sex. The Kama Sutra suggests pretty much any sexual use is moral if you are obtaining a social advantage from doing so. Revenging yourself? Moral. Manipulating someone? Moral. Humiliating someone. Moral. Trying to close a business deal? Moral.

Or think of the Socratic dialogues. I don't remember the exact one, but there is one were Socrates goes to a gym for young boys looking for a sexual partner, and his friend presents one of his young wards to Socrates. At the critical juncture, the young ward basically asks his protector, "Would me pursuing this sexual relationship with Socrates be to your advantage? If so, I'll certainly do it."

Now, it might be the case that if presented with alternative views of their gender and sexuality, that women and young boys would readily embrace them and come to see being traded like livestock as demeaning. But the idea that their exists this alternative view point for them to embrace is one taken for granted in the thread that isn't necessarily available in the reality of ancient settings.

That said, the real question is just how productive is it to impose this sort of view of the world on your game, knowing just how much confusion and icky feelings its likely to cause. Again, I don't necessarily consider this line of imaginative thought into archaic sexual mores and archaic notions of justice to be especially productive. Even if these ideas are rolling around the background of the setting, I can't imagine that the particular plotline that would foreground these ideas and put the PCs in the middle of them is a good idea for the overwhelming majority of tables. Sexuality is a hard enough topic to pass by or discuss in a modern context without creating all sorts of confusion by introducing alternative viewpoints that people might mistake for endorsements or simply find offensive to talk about.

And I'd seriously worry about the small number that were comfortable with it. You mentioned earlier about being in ones undiseased right mind. Let's please stay there if we can.
 

Blood Eagle -- The blood eagle was a method of execution, that is sometimes mentioned in Nordic saga legends. It was performed by cutting the skin of the victim by the spine, breaking the ribs so they resembled blood-stained wings, and pulling the lungs out through the wounds in the victim's back. Salt was sprinkled in the wounds.
 

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