Khisanth the Ancient
Explorer
Me neither (just started GMing 5E) but it totally should work that way, both for mechanical reasons and logical ones.
D&D 5E One-shot kills
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Me neither (just started GMing 5E) but it totally should work that way, both for mechanical reasons and logical ones.
AaronOfBarbaria
Adventurer
On the topic of poison, or other additional damage types an attack might have:
Here's what I do, and what I think is what the rule-book suggests doing - if the damage happening is tied to an attack roll and involves no saving throw to reduce/avoid, it is affected by a critical hit. Otherwise it isn't.
So if you have an attack like a medusa's longbow attack that deals 1d8+2 piercing plus 2d6 poison, a critical hit would deal 2d8+2 piercing plus 4d6 poison. But if you have an attack like a purple worm's stinger that does 3d6+9 piercing and 12d6 poison that a save reduces by half, a critical hit is 6d6+9 piercing and 12d6 poison that a save reduces by half.
Here's what I do, and what I think is what the rule-book suggests doing - if the damage happening is tied to an attack roll and involves no saving throw to reduce/avoid, it is affected by a critical hit. Otherwise it isn't.
So if you have an attack like a medusa's longbow attack that deals 1d8+2 piercing plus 2d6 poison, a critical hit would deal 2d8+2 piercing plus 4d6 poison. But if you have an attack like a purple worm's stinger that does 3d6+9 piercing and 12d6 poison that a save reduces by half, a critical hit is 6d6+9 piercing and 12d6 poison that a save reduces by half.
CapnZapp
Legend
I don't either, and it is [emoji4]
CapnZapp
Legend
Phrase it like this and I'm with you: criticals double all the dice of an attack, but doesn't affect any secondary effects or attacks.
If a monster deals 2d6+3 damage, a critical is 4d6+3.
If a monster deals 2d6+3 poison damage, a critical is 4d6+3 poison.
If a monster deals 1d6+3 piercing damage plus 1d6 poison damage, a critical is 2d6+3+2d6.
But if an attack triggers any secondary attacks, the critical doesn't affect those.
Think of it like this: those 7d6 aren't rolled at the instant the critical takes effect, but "afterwards" (if only a split second later). Also, since you can succeed on the save, not everybody is going to take the 7d6, so then they are not available for doubling.
And since there is no counterpart to a critical when *you* make the roll, that is, there are no fumble rules; the damage delivered by a separate poison attack can never be doubled. ("failing miserably" is handled another way, such as the "if you fail the DC by 5" mechanic of Drow poison)
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Rya.Reisender
Explorer
It does not affect secondary attacks? What about stuff like sneak attack then? Not so sure about that.
On-topic: The hardest part with death for me is that I usually don't know how my players will react to that. There are those that really want the sense of danger and risk of dying at any time and if they get killed they'll just be like "Heh" and make a new character. Others get really attached to their characters and wouldn't be so happy about them dying.
But then again death only seems to be a problem in low levels on 5th edition. You can go by AL rules and allow free revival from one of the factions as long as you're below level 5. After that you hardly die in one hit, though you may be one-hit knocked unconscious. But players have many means to prevent death like first aid or even just anything that heals 1 HP or more, so if someone really dies, they must mess up a lot.
And I'm really not going easy on them (though I make intelligent creatures always concentrate their attacks on the biggest threats rather than go and knock an unconscious PC dead).
On-topic: The hardest part with death for me is that I usually don't know how my players will react to that. There are those that really want the sense of danger and risk of dying at any time and if they get killed they'll just be like "Heh" and make a new character. Others get really attached to their characters and wouldn't be so happy about them dying.
But then again death only seems to be a problem in low levels on 5th edition. You can go by AL rules and allow free revival from one of the factions as long as you're below level 5. After that you hardly die in one hit, though you may be one-hit knocked unconscious. But players have many means to prevent death like first aid or even just anything that heals 1 HP or more, so if someone really dies, they must mess up a lot.
And I'm really not going easy on them (though I make intelligent creatures always concentrate their attacks on the biggest threats rather than go and knock an unconscious PC dead).
CapnZapp
Legend
What about it?
Sneak damage is specifically and explicitly part of what you double on crits.
I'm open to the possibility some DM will allow or not allow certain extra damage to be doubled on crits.
But sneak damage should not be one of those cases. The rules and the devs have repeatedly said sneak damage do double on crits.
(In the context of my posts, I'll simply note that sneak damage isn't a secondary attack, so my explanation is consistent with the rules and Sage Advice on sneak damage.)
Feel free to ask again if your question wasn't adequately covered, Rya!
Rya.Reisender
Explorer
[MENTION=12731]CapnZapp[/MENTION]
Sorry I accidentally wrote secondary attacks when I actually meant to write secondary effects. As in "secondary attacks should not be affected, but secondary effects like Sneak Attack should be". Or do you call that a primary effect then?
Sorry I accidentally wrote secondary attacks when I actually meant to write secondary effects. As in "secondary attacks should not be affected, but secondary effects like Sneak Attack should be". Or do you call that a primary effect then?
