D&D 5E Why is WoTc still pushing AP's when the majority of gamers want something else?

[Eubani]

There's crunch in all of the APs, including horror guidelines in CoS. They opted for a role-playing approach to setting a mood rather than hard horror rules that have mechanical effects, which is in line with keeping things simple.

Not what we were told we were going to get. And the volume and type that we have got is laughable.

 

[Ilbranteloth]

Not what we were told we were going to get. And the volume and type that we have got is laughable.

I agree it wasn't exactly what I expected, but as I've played with the 5e rules and then have seen what they have provided, it makes sense to me. I can certainly see how folks that are looking for more rules want something different. But I'm finding that in general less is more.

Of course, this is coming from a guy who has a 108 page House Rules PHB...

But a lot of it is the SRD with my house rules worked into it, not just 100% new or modified rules. And I just came across my rewritten 3/3.5e rules in the attic this evening. A fun(ny) read.

Speaking of more crunch, if you haven't read Ed Greenwood's All Things Through the Bright Flames on the DMs guild yet, I highly recommend it. Great story, fun to read, and Realms crunch at the end for the new stuff mentioned in the story. Which leads back to what I mentioned earlier somewhere - the new Realmslore and crunch could be coming via Ed and DMsGuild rather than WotC (which makes me very happy). Although he has a disclaimer at the front that says it shouldn't be considered canon.

 

[Benji]

This has already been explained to you before. DM'sGuild material is not legal in AL nor is it allowed at lot's of tables. Not to mention the fact that loads of it is broken, not play tested, and not official. Fan made material has been around for a long time, but now just because Wizards creates a site for it that it's suddenly become well accepted. Nothing has really changed in this department. Fan made material is still looked at cautiously and not accepted by loads of DM's.

But...your argument is that most people homebrew. Why would anyone care if it's AL legal if, as you claim, no one is playing it?

I might misunderstand you might be saying 'most people only accept their own homebrew' in which case, that'snot wizard's problem to fix.

I also still don't understand how your claim that most people build their own settings would be helped by specific regional guides for settings they aren't using.

 

[Shayuri]

Seems to me that most people who do homebrews import/appropriate stuff from published source material all the time. And a lot of games I play that are in homebrew settings adapt published material and modules with great frequency.

Granted, this is one individual's experience, and not necessarily reflective of the greater gaming community...but given how much work developing a setting is, and running a game is, I suspect it's fairly common practice to find ways to use quality published material and tweak/adapt it rather than start from scratch every single time.

Can't decide if troll thread or not.

 

[Parmandur]

Seems to me that most people who do homebrews import/appropriate stuff from published source material all the time. And a lot of games I play that are in homebrew settings adapt published material and modules with great frequency.

Granted, this is one individual's experience, and not necessarily reflective of the greater gaming community...but given how much work developing a setting is, and running a game is, I suspect it's fairly common practice to find ways to use quality published material and tweak/adapt it rather than start from scratch every single time.

Can't decide if troll thread or not.

That's not just idiosyncratic experience, that is precisely what WotC has found in their surveys when discussing their release strategy as the most common playstyle by a large margin.

This is not a troll thread, insofar as [MENTION=6776548]Corpsetaker[/MENTION] seems to mean what she or he says: though it remains unclear what she or he hopes to accomplish by constantly complaining and weaving conspiracy theories...

 

[Charles Rampant]

Provoking laughter is, apparently, not one of his objectives.

 

[Sacrosanct]

Provoking laughter is, apparently, not one of his objectives.

"Why do you keep laughing? I'm not making a joke!"

 

[Parmandur]

Provoking laughter is, apparently, not one of his objectives.

Achievement, if not objective, certainly. These threads are hilarious.

 

[Istbor]

True, how does one rate a thread poorly, when a lot of entertainment is achieved from the reading?

I can only say that the original claim falls on it's face. As others have pointed out. Why would a person who homebrews (I am one such person, but have been getting into the APs a bit more for the first time ever) want a settings or region guide when I have already built that on my own? I can certainly understand borrowing ideas to fill out a world, but I would not likely buy a book to do that.

I think WotC have a pretty good handle on what is going on in their market currently. They seem to be doing quite well, and I have been pleased so far with what they have put out. As well as the pacing.

 

[Sacrosanct]

Not what we were told we were going to get. And the volume and type that we have got is laughable.

What specifically were we told we were getting? I suspect in most cases like this, we got what they said, but it wasn't what you (general you) were expecting or wanting. That doesn't meant they didn't do what they said they would.

For example, if they said there was gonna be rules in the APs and there are rules in the AP, just not what you were wanting, that doesn't mean they lied. One I hear a lot is "They promised us modular options and lied." Well, they do have modular options in the DMG and PHB.

It's one thing to say "I didn't get what I was expecting" and another to say "they didn't do what they told us they were gonna do."